Syria is free!

[Magical Realist]

You haven't the faintest idea what is possible for a united people who have tasted freedom. So go ahead, keep rooting for the deposed genocidal dictator and future tyrannical regimes. Your pathetic fascist mindset is duly noted.

[Syne]

I just said "if Syria becomes a democracy... that would be a remarkable event."
You're just such a dewy-eyed mooncalf you can't understand history and reality, and haplessly confuse realism for rooting for evil. That's just stupid and itself morally bankrupt.

The current new leader is already promising tolerance for all religions and women's rights and alliances with democratic nations.

Ahmed al-Sharaa worked for al-Baghdadi under al-Qaeda and the Islamic State (ISI, ISIL, ISIS, etc.). If you believe what he says, you're willfully complicit in what happens if he takes power. He's playing into Western "diversity is out strength" bullshit to dupe hapless rubes just like you. The Taliban said similar things when they took over Afghanistan.

Just like the left to willfully believe what objectively evil people tell them. That makes you complicit. Providing cover for evil people under the guise of being anti-fascist it itself evil.

ITOH, recognizing evil by its history is being realistic, without any need to root for evil. Like it or not, you're projecting your own rooting for evil. Granted, you delusionally believe the evil guy will suddenly be good, but that doesn't change the fact that you are literally rooting for evil.

[Magical Realist]

He's playing into Western "diversity is out strength" bullshit to dupe hapless rubes

And those hapless duped rubes would be the Syrian people? You really do think they are stupid incompetent people in need of tyrannical control, don't you? You're pathetic...

[Syne]

He's playing into Western "diversity is out strength" bullshit to dupe hapless rubes

And those hapless duped rubes would be the Syrian people? You really do think they are stupid incompetent people in need of tyrannical control, don't you? You're pathetic...

You're still just projecting to compensate for you rooting for evil people. Just because Assad was evil doesn't mean anyone who opposed him must be good. That's childish thinking.
And you seem completely unaware of the cultures in that region. The most likely Western allies, the Kurds, are high on the rebel/HTS/Turkey hit list. These are not Westerners who value human life. These are people like the Gazans, who are accustom to violence, vote terrorists into power, celebrate/support attacking innocent women and children, etc..

They're far from stupid or incompetent. They are often cutthroat, devious, and obviously competent enough to pull off terrorist attacks against the US and taking over Syria (after Assad lost Russia and Iran as effective muscle). This is not some grassroots movement. This was backed by Turkey utilizing many religious extremist terrorists.

[Magical Realist]

First you say that Syrians are hapless rubes duped by their transitional leader, and now you say they are cutthroat assassins ready to kill their leaders. Ever occur to you they are just innocent human beings like we are who want peace and prosperity? No.. that wouldn't occur to you. Better to dehumanize Syrians as animals unworthy of things like freedom and democracy. Hence your counting on their continued oppression and control by more murderous dictators. Such is the agenda of all hateful fascists..

These are not Westerners who value human life

White supremacist dogwhistle there, "western" meaning white caucasian christian. So you actually think "westerners" are the only people on earth who value human life? Did you never take a world history class?

[Syne]

First you say that Syrians are hapless rubes duped by their transitional leader, and now you say they are cutthroat assassins ready to kill their leaders. Ever occur to you they are just innocent human beings like we are who want peace and prosperity? No.. that wouldn't occur to you. Better to dehumanize Syrians as animals unworthy of things like freedom and democracy. Hence your counting on their continued oppression and control by more murderous dictators. Such is the agenda of all hateful fascists..

Oh for fuck's sake, learn to read you illiterate moron.
I said you were the hapless rube that's been duped. I never said that about Syrians. Go ahead, go look for yourself.... if you can manage to comprehend simple English for once.
Never said anything about killing their leaders either. Those voices in your head are working overtime making shit up.

Again, for the third time, I said "if Syria becomes a democracy... that would be a remarkable event." Understanding that other cultures don't value life the same as we do doesn't mean they're unworthy of freedom or democracy. But apparently if someone's different enough from you, that's your go-to.

I would love nothing less for them to become a free and prosperous first world country, but that wishful thinking has nothing to do with the very likely reality on the ground.

These are not Westerners who value human life

White supremacist dogwhistle there, "western" meaning white caucasian christian. So you actually think "westerners" are the only people on earth who value human life? Did you never take a world history class?

Quit projecting. We all know you support policies that keep minorities poor, in under-performing schools, living in violence, etc. all so you can feel good about yourself as a white savior.
"Westerners" means those living in first world, relatively prosperous countries where the rule of law means they don't face the threat of deadly violence daily and are thus not repeatedly shown how little life is worth in their culture.


But keep making your useless accusations of "fascist" and "racist." I'll just keep bring the receipts that it's all projection.

[confused2]

I have to agree with Syne that the actions of the religious and tribal factions in the region overlap into what would probably be described as insanity by a secular western observer. In fairness we view Russia's incursion into Ukraine differently (why?), where rape and pillage by advancing forces is passed off as a breakdown in military discipline and hostages are prisoners of war.

Unless the tribes and religious factions are significantly different the Syrian state might well follow the path taken by Iran.

The Shah of Iran was working towards a secular society .. at the same time containing the forces that eventually overthrew him (in 1979) .. after removing the western influence the region has become the Iran we know today.

[Magical Realist]

I believe enough people doing the right thing will always win out over those doing the wrong things. Democracy has been achieved in 96 nations so far worldwide with hard work and sacrifice and commitment and help from other nations. And in this day and age, it can certainly be achieved again. While some democracies might not be perfect, it sure beats living under an oppressive genocidal regime and having your neighborhood bombed back to the stone age. So welcome to the freedom club Syria. Baby steps...

[confused2]

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Syria’s rebel leader: No pardons for detainee torturers, killers
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/...733943786/

INTRO: The commander of Syria's rebels who overthrew the regime of President Bashar Assad, Ahmad Sharaa, said Wednesday that those involved in torturing and killing thousands of detainees will not be pardoned. Meanwhile, a great number of them, including missing U.S. journalist Austin Tice, remain unaccounted for.

Sharaa, better known as Abou Mohammed al Jolani, who heads the Islamist "Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, or HTS, said "we will not pardon those involved in torturing the detainees and liquidating them."

He said in a statement posted on the Syrian state-run TV's Telegram channel that they will be hunted down in Syria and called on "countries to hand over those criminals who fled [to them] so as to achieve justice."

The fall of Assad revealed a shocking reality about tens of thousands of detainees when rebel forces stormed his regime-run jails in Damascus and other Syrian regions and freed them.

Anxious and desperate relatives were seen rushing to the most notorious Sednaya prison on the outskirts of Damascus, searching for their loved ones who disappeared for long years after having been arrested by Assad's security and intelligence services, many for no clear reasons. Freed detainees, speaking to Al Jazeera and Al Arabia TV stations, revealed the horror they faced during their detention...
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America’s closest ally in Syria is losing ground as a new order takes shape
https://apnews.com/article/syria-war-ass...22d3dccf5d

INTRO: The jihadi rebels who toppled Syrian President Bashar Assad say they want to build a unified, inclusive country. But after nearly 14 years of civil war, putting that ideal into practice will not be easy.

For Syria’s Kurdish minority, America’s closest ally in the country, the struggle for a new order is entering a potentially even more challenging phase. Over the course of Syria’s civil war, Kurdish fighters have fended off an array of armed factions, partnered with the U.S. to rout the Islamic State group and carved out a largely autonomous region in the country’s oil-rich east.

But the gains of the non-Arab Kurds are now at risk. The ascendance of the Sunni Arab rebels who overthrew Assad — with vital help from Turkey, a longtime foe of the Kurds — will make it hard for the Kurds to find a place in the new Syria and could prolong the conflict.

The jihadi rebels who rode into Damascus over the weekend have made peaceful overtures to the Kurds. But the rebels violently drove Kurdish fighters out of the eastern city of Deir al-Zour days after government forces abandoned it.

To the north, a separate opposition faction backed by Turkey that has been battling the Kurds for years seized the town of Manbij. And Turkey carried out airstrikes on a Kurdish convoy it said was carrying heavy weapons looted from government arsenals.

The Kurds have long counted on U.S. aid in the face of such challenges. Around 900 American troops are in eastern Syria, where they partner with Kurdish forces to prevent an Islamic State resurgence. But the future of that mission will be thrown into doubt under president-elect Donald Trump, who has long been skeptical about U.S. involvement in Syria.

Here’s a closer look at the predicament the Kurds find themselves in.... (MORE - details)