I wonder what Dawkins is thinking. Meth?

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(Oct 27, 2024 03:54 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Oct 27, 2024 02:51 AM)Syne Wrote: Everyone here knows all about your long hatred of Peterson.
Nothing new to see here.

He's just comical, that's all. You've done shrooms, did you see your all your mutations?

I haven't done shrooms.
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#12
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(Oct 27, 2024 03:13 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Oct 27, 2024 03:54 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Oct 27, 2024 02:51 AM)Syne Wrote: Everyone here knows all about your long hatred of Peterson.
Nothing new to see here.

He's just comical, that's all. You've done shrooms, did you see your all your mutations?

I haven't done shrooms.

Sorry. My bad. I don't remember exactly what it was that you took.
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"I’ve seen these dual entwined serpenta. They’re very common. In fact, I have one made by an Indian carver(Canadian Native carver) in my (it’s so cool). It’s called a Sisiutl. I have it up on my third floor. It set on two totem poles. There’s a man in the middle and a serpent on both sides of him and I asked him what this image meant to his people because he’s still part of an unbroken tradition. He said that the myth that something alien landed on the earth. It was this Sisiutl object and that when it was rolling down the mountain that it landed on, it took the form of all the things that it encountered."

I can’t find any myths that connects this sisiutl with aliens.
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(Oct 27, 2024 05:33 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: "I’ve seen these dual entwined serpenta. They’re very common. In fact, I have one made by an Indian carver(Canadian Native carver) in my (it’s so cool). It’s called a Sisiutl. I have it up on my third floor. It set on two totem poles. There’s a man in the middle and a serpent on both sides of him and I asked him what this image meant to his people because he’s still part of an unbroken tradition. He said that the myth that something alien landed on the earth. It was this Sisiutl object and that when it was rolling down the mountain that it landed on, it took the form of all the things that it encountered."

I can’t find any myths that connects this sisiutl with aliens.

The modern idea of "space aliens" wouldn't even have been known to indigenous peoples when the folklore was originally formulated. Though I suppose it's easily converted to any supernatural beliefs about realms existing beyond the familiar world. And "alien" can just mean "foreign" (not contemporary extraterrestrial context -- whether the microorganisms of panpspermia or the popular kind of entertainment).

There's also a lack of universal agreement with respect to the details of Kwakwakaʼwakw myths, so I guess it's possible Peterson could have encountered a particular regional spin on Sisiutl. Since many Kwakiutl have freely blended Christianity into their traditional beliefs, they've surely been influenced over time by other outside elements as well -- like the fads of UFO and cryptid cultures.

As Russell Bates exemplified, pockets of Native Americans (in general) have certainly been attracted to science fiction ("How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth"). So the "carver" Peterson talked to could have even taken some personal liberties and tweaked things or added interpretations of his own to the meaning of Sisiutl. (Again, though, an "innocent" local tribal variation remains the first option.)

Cosmology & Ceremonial Life: The beings that make up Kwakiutl mythology are remarkably diverse. [...] Many contemporary Kwakiutl identify themselves as Christians but incorporate traditional mythology into their faith, freely blending elements of Christian and indigenous religion. Broadly speaking, Kwakiutl mythology divides the world into several realms: the mortal world, the sky world, the land beneath the sea, and the ghost world. In reality, however, it is difficult to discuss Kwakiutl mythology uniformly owing to the diverse accounts found among the many bands that constitute the Kwakiutl First Nations, though some underlying commonalities exist.

[...] Sisiutl: A two headed sea serpent with a humanoid face in the center of its body, the Sisiutl is not only easy to recognize but is also one of the most powerful and important beings in Kwakiutl cosmology. It is believed that anyone who sees a Sisiutl will be turned to stone, and walking in the trail of slime that Sisiutl leaves in its wake entails certain doom.

Having impervious skin that cannot be pierced, Sisiutl is the assistant of the war spirit Winalagilis, and it is believed that any warrior who can harness Sisiutl will be blessed with great powers. However, the Sisiutl can be killed by striking it with weapons covered with the blood from one’s tongue.

This supernatural creature can transform itself into a number of other creatures, and can change its size at will. Those privileged to wear the Sisiutl as their crest are held in very high esteem, as they are afforded the protection and benevolence of the creature. The Sisiutl, along with the Thunderbird and Dzunukwa, are the three most important lineage crests representing supernatural entities.

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(Oct 27, 2024 08:09 PM)C C Wrote: This supernatural creature can transform itself into a number of other creatures, and can change its size at will

I don't know. Maybe that's how he made the connection with DNA. Either way...his snake oil is making money.

Thanks, CC. You're way better than any AI.
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