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Oct 27, 2024 03:51 PM
(This post was last modified: Oct 27, 2024 05:15 PM by Secular Sanity.)
(Oct 27, 2024 03:13 PM)Syne Wrote:(Oct 27, 2024 03:54 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote:(Oct 27, 2024 02:51 AM)Syne Wrote: Everyone here knows all about your long hatred of Peterson. Sorry. My bad. I don't remember exactly what it was that you took.
Oct 27, 2024 05:33 PM
"I’ve seen these dual entwined serpenta. They’re very common. In fact, I have one made by an Indian carver(Canadian Native carver) in my (it’s so cool). It’s called a Sisiutl. I have it up on my third floor. It set on two totem poles. There’s a man in the middle and a serpent on both sides of him and I asked him what this image meant to his people because he’s still part of an unbroken tradition. He said that the myth that something alien landed on the earth. It was this Sisiutl object and that when it was rolling down the mountain that it landed on, it took the form of all the things that it encountered."
I can’t find any myths that connects this sisiutl with aliens.
Oct 27, 2024 08:09 PM
(This post was last modified: Oct 27, 2024 08:31 PM by C C.)
(Oct 27, 2024 05:33 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: "I’ve seen these dual entwined serpenta. They’re very common. In fact, I have one made by an Indian carver(Canadian Native carver) in my (it’s so cool). It’s called a Sisiutl. I have it up on my third floor. It set on two totem poles. There’s a man in the middle and a serpent on both sides of him and I asked him what this image meant to his people because he’s still part of an unbroken tradition. He said that the myth that something alien landed on the earth. It was this Sisiutl object and that when it was rolling down the mountain that it landed on, it took the form of all the things that it encountered." The modern idea of "space aliens" wouldn't even have been known to indigenous peoples when the folklore was originally formulated. Though I suppose it's easily converted to any supernatural beliefs about realms existing beyond the familiar world. And "alien" can just mean "foreign" (not contemporary extraterrestrial context -- whether the microorganisms of panpspermia or the popular kind of entertainment). There's also a lack of universal agreement with respect to the details of Kwakwakaʼwakw myths, so I guess it's possible Peterson could have encountered a particular regional spin on Sisiutl. Since many Kwakiutl have freely blended Christianity into their traditional beliefs, they've surely been influenced over time by other outside elements as well -- like the fads of UFO and cryptid cultures. As Russell Bates exemplified, pockets of Native Americans (in general) have certainly been attracted to science fiction ("How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth"). So the "carver" Peterson talked to could have even taken some personal liberties and tweaked things or added interpretations of his own to the meaning of Sisiutl. (Again, though, an "innocent" local tribal variation remains the first option.) Cosmology & Ceremonial Life: The beings that make up Kwakiutl mythology are remarkably diverse. [...] Many contemporary Kwakiutl identify themselves as Christians but incorporate traditional mythology into their faith, freely blending elements of Christian and indigenous religion. Broadly speaking, Kwakiutl mythology divides the world into several realms: the mortal world, the sky world, the land beneath the sea, and the ghost world. In reality, however, it is difficult to discuss Kwakiutl mythology uniformly owing to the diverse accounts found among the many bands that constitute the Kwakiutl First Nations, though some underlying commonalities exist.
Oct 27, 2024 09:19 PM
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