Harris moron steals Trumps policy positions

[Magical Realist]

There's no guarantee that an illegal is paying taxes, no matter if you issue ITINs or not. Hence the hedging language of "can contribute" rather than "do contribute."

There's no guarantee anyone is paying taxes. But most do to stay out of trouble with the IRS, especially undocumented immigrants who want to keep a clean record with the federal govt.

"In 2019, according to the IRS, more than 2.5 million tax returns were filed using ITINs, accounting for nearly $6 billion in taxes.

In addition to tax return filings, officials estimate that undocumented immigrants also contribute billions to Social Security annually through payroll tax deductions. In 2010, for example, the Social Security Administration estimated that payments from unauthorized workers accounted for about $12 billion in tax revenue for Social Security.''

If not for illegals, unskilled poor Americans could fill those jobs.

That's a common myth. Most poor Americans won't touch the jobs immigrants are willing to do. Have you ever worked as a roofer? A landscaper? A produce picker? At a meatpacking plant?

"Myth: Immigrants take jobs from other Americans.

Reality: This is a falsehood often used to pit vulnerable groups against one another and divert focus from policies that exploit and undervalue workers. It is untrue on many levels.

“The Lump of Labor Fallacy” is a term economists use for the misconception that there is only a fixed number of jobs to be had in the U.S., implying that newcomers would need to take or limit opportunities from U.S.-born individuals. As a recent study from the Economic Policy Institute shows: “the idea that immigrants are making things worse for U.S.-born workers is wrong. The reality is that the labor market is absorbing immigrants at a rapid pace, while simultaneously maintaining record-low unemployment for U.S.-born workers.”

Far from stealing jobs, immigrants often take on taxing jobs that other Americans are not willing to do. As the Brookings Institution has stated: “The impact of immigrant labor on the wages of native-born workers is low… However, [immigrant] workers often work the unpleasant, back-breaking jobs that native-born workers are not willing to do.”---- https://iine.org/dispelling-10-common-my...20citizens.

The only reason they don't is because the welfare you like so much is available.

I doubt it. As I already showed, you have to have a job within 2 yrs of getting welfare.

[Syne]

Illegal aliens are good at hiding. They can just assume a different identity, since we have no fingerprints or real identification to track them with. The IRS has to be able to find you first. For most of us, they can because we work legit jobs that file W2s. Illegals getting paid cash under the table are invisible to the IRS.

"...payments from unauthorized workers...?" How are "unauthorized workers" paying into social security? Can "unauthorized workers" somehow work legitimate jobs?

Title 8 U.S.C. § 1324a(a)(1)(A) makes it unlawful for any person or other entity to hire, recruit, or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien, as defined in subsection 1324a(h)(3).

Subsection 1324a(2) makes it unlawful for any person or entity, after hiring an alien for employment, to continue to employ the alien in the United States knowing the alien is or has become an unauthorized alien with respect to such employment.
- https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/crim...-penalties

So who are all these employers risking to "be fined not more than $3000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both?"

Are you talking about the crime of identity theft?

I have done roofing and landscaping.

Again, poor Americans can only be picky because they can get some form of welfare assistance. As you've already agreed, the work requirement doesn't mean working enough to get off welfare. People can do both.

[Magical Realist]

Illegal aliens are good at hiding. They can just assume a different identity, since we have no fingerprints or real identification to track them with. The IRS has to be able to find you first. For most of us, they can because we work legit jobs that file W2s. Illegals getting paid cash under the table are invisible to the IRS.

And yet they contribute billions to our economy in taxes:

"Like everyone else in the United States, they pay sales taxes. They also pay property taxes—even if they rent. As a report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) points out, “the best evidence suggests that at least 50 percent of undocumented immigrant households currently file income tax returns using Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITINs), and many who do not file income tax returns still have taxes deducted from their paychecks.” The end result is that undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollars each year in taxes. Moreover, as several studies have found, undocumented immigrants would earn much more, and therefore pay much more in taxes, if they had some sort of legal status, be it permanent or temporary. Not surprisingly, permanent status yields more tax revenue than temporary status."---- https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.o...tributions

So who are all these employers risking to "be fined not more than $3000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both?"

"In 1986, the Immigration Reform and Control Act established “employer sanctions”, making it unlawful for employers to knowingly hire and employ illegal aliens. Congress incorporated civil penalties, generally in the form of fines, and a misdemeanor criminal offense for engaging in a “pattern or practice” of violations. In the same legislation, Congress made employers potentially liable for the preexisting crime of “harboring” illegal aliens. In 1996, the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act established a separate criminal offense for the knowing hiring of at least 10 illegal aliens known by the employer to have been smuggled into the U.S., and made harboring illegal aliens a predicate offense for the purpose of prosecutions under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act.

While different administrations have devoted various degrees of effort to enforcing employer sanctions and levying civil fines, employers have generally adapted to these fines as a “cost of doing business”. In over three decades, no administration has aggressively utilized the criminal penalties provided for by Congress. This became shockingly apparent in 2019 when the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University reported that “since criminal penalties for employers were first enacted by Congress in 1986, few employers have ever been prosecuted. ... [and] fewer who are convicted receive sentences that amount to more than token punishment.”

A principal cause of the neglect of criminal enforcement is the difficulty of proving that an employer “knowingly” hired or employed illegal aliens, in large part the result of the easy availability of fraudulent documents used by illegal aliens."---- https://cis.org/Report/Hiring-Illegals-Crime

Again, poor Americans can only be picky because they can get some form of welfare assistance.

Nope...like I said, they can only be on welfare for 2 years before being required to get a job.

[Syne]

Illegal aliens are good at hiding. They can just assume a different identity, since we have no fingerprints or real identification to track them with. The IRS has to be able to find you first. For most of us, they can because we work legit jobs that file W2s. Illegals getting paid cash under the table are invisible to the IRS.

And yet they contribute billions to our economy in taxes:

  "Like everyone else in the United States, they pay sales taxes. They also pay property taxes—even if they rent. As a report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) points out, “the best evidence suggests that at least 50 percent of undocumented immigrant households currently file income tax returns using Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITINs), and many who do not file income tax returns still have taxes deducted from their paychecks.” The end result is that undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollars each year in taxes. Moreover, as several studies have found, undocumented immigrants would earn much more, and therefore pay much more in taxes, if they had some sort of legal status, be it permanent or temporary. Not surprisingly, permanent status yields more tax revenue than temporary status."----  https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.o...tributions

Ah, I see those goalposts shifting away.

So who are all these employers risking to "be fined not more than $3000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both?"

"In 1986, the Immigration Reform and Control Act established “employer sanctions”, making it unlawful for employers to knowingly hire and employ illegal aliens. Congress incorporated civil penalties, generally in the form of fines, and a misdemeanor criminal offense for engaging in a “pattern or practice” of violations. In the same legislation, Congress made employers potentially liable for the preexisting crime of “harboring” illegal aliens. In 1996, the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act established a separate criminal offense for the knowing hiring of at least 10 illegal aliens known by the employer to have been smuggled into the U.S., and made harboring illegal aliens a predicate offense for the purpose of prosecutions under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act.

While different administrations have devoted various degrees of effort to enforcing employer sanctions and levying civil fines, employers have generally adapted to these fines as a “cost of doing business”. In over three decades, no administration has aggressively utilized the criminal penalties provided for by Congress. This became shockingly apparent in 2019 when the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University reported that “since criminal penalties for employers were first enacted by Congress in 1986, few employers have ever been prosecuted. ... [and] fewer who are convicted receive sentences that amount to more than token punishment.”

A principal cause of the neglect of criminal enforcement is the difficulty of proving that an employer “knowingly” hired or employed illegal aliens, in large part the result of the easy availability of fraudulent documents used by illegal aliens."---- https://cis.org/Report/Hiring-Illegals-Crime

So everyone's fine with risking what is now a felony. Sure.

Again, poor Americans can only be picky because they can get some form of welfare assistance.

Nope...like I said, they can only be on welfare for 2 years before being required to get a job.

Again, again:

As you've already agreed, the work requirement doesn't mean working enough to get off welfare. People can do both.

[Magical Realist]

Again, poor Americans can only be picky because they can get some form of welfare assistance.

And again:

"People leave welfare for a variety of reasons, including finding employment, marriage, and other reasons. On average, about half of the AFDC caseload leaves welfare each year. According to Marca, most families leave within a short period of time, with about half leaving within a year, 70% within two years, and almost 90% within five years."

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[Syne]

Again, poor Americans can only be picky because they can get some form of welfare assistance.

And again:

"People leave welfare for a variety of reasons, including finding employment, marriage, and other reasons. On average, about half of the AFDC caseload leaves welfare each year. According to Marca, most families leave within a short period of time, with about half leaving within a year, 70% within two years, and almost 90% within five years."

And 70% returning to welfare. You keep forgetting that part.

[Magical Realist]

"About 45% of families who leave the welfare system return within a year, and 70% return within five years. However, many of these families don't stay on welfare for long, with 71% of those who returned in one study leaving again within 12 months."

[Syne]

Yeah, the same revolving door happens in prison and rehab.

[Magical Realist]

"Welfare programs, like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid, and the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), can help reduce poverty. In 2021, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that government assistance, including welfare programs, lifted 45.4 million people out of poverty. Some studies suggest that welfare programs can reduce poverty rates by at least half, while others say that welfare benefits alone aren't enough, but can be effective when combined with earnings"---
https://www.google.com/search?q=welfare+...e&ie=UTF-8

"While statistics on rising rates of addiction and overdose deaths often make headlines, many people find their way to recovery.

A study from the Recovery Research Institute revealed that roughly 22.3 million Americans (more than 9% of adults) are in recovery from some form of substance use disorder (SUD).

In a 2020 study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), 3 out of 4 people who experience addiction eventually recover"---
https://www.addictionhelp.com/recovery/statistics/
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