Research  Can consciousness exist in a computer simulation?

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PRESS RELEASE: Would it be desirable for artificial intelligence to develop consciousness? Not really, for a variety of reasons, according to Dr. Wanja Wiese from the Institute of Philosophy II at Ruhr University Bochum, Germany. In an essay, he examines the conditions that must be met for consciousness to exist and compares brains with computers. He has identified significant differences between humans and machines, most notably in the organization of brain areas as well as memory and computing units. “The causal structure might be a difference that’s relevant to consciousness,” he argues. The essay was published on June 26, 2024 in the journal “Philosophical Studies”.

Two different approaches. When considering the possibility of consciousness in artificial systems, there are at least two different approaches. One approach asks: How likely is it that current AI systems are conscious – and what needs to be added to existing systems to make it more likely that they are capable of consciousness? Another approach asks: What types of AI systems are unlikely to be conscious, and how can we rule out the possibility of certain types of systems becoming conscious?

In his research, Wanja Wiese pursues the second approach. “My aim is to contribute to two goals: Firstly, to reduce the risk of inadvertently creating artificial consciousness; this is a desirable outcome, as it’s currently unclear under what conditions the creation of artificial consciousness is morally permissible. Secondly, this approach should help rule out deception by ostensibly conscious AI systems that only appear to be conscious,” he explains. This is particularly important because there are already indications that many people who often interact with chatbots attribute consciousness to these systems. At the same time, the consensus among experts is that current AI systems are not conscious.

The free energy principle. Wiese asks in his essay: How can we find out whether essential conditions for consciousness exist that are not fulfilled by conventional computers, for example? A common characteristic shared by all conscious animals is that they are alive. However, being alive is such a strict requirement that many don’t consider it a plausible candidate for a necessary condition for consciousness. But perhaps some conditions that are necessary for being alive are also necessary for consciousness?

In his article, Wanja Wiese refers to British neuroscientist Karl Friston’s free energy principle. The principle indicates: The processes that ensure the continued existence of a self-organizing system such as a living organism can be described as a type of information processing. In humans, these include processes that regulate vital parameters such as body temperature, the oxygen content in the blood and blood sugar. The same type of information processing could also be realized in a computer. However, the computer would not regulate its temperature or blood sugar levels, but would merely simulate these processes.

Most differences are not relevant to consciousness. The researcher suggests that the same could be true of consciousness. Assuming that consciousness contributes to the survival of a conscious organism, then, according to the free energy principle, the physiological processes that contribute to the maintenance of the organism must retain a trace that conscious experience leaves behind and that can be described as an information-processing process. This can be called the “computational correlate of consciousness”. This too can be realized in a computer. However, it’s possible that additional conditions must be fulfilled in a computer in order for the computer to not only simulate but also replicate conscious experience.

In his article, Wanja Wiese therefore analyses differences between the way in which conscious creatures realize the computational correlate of consciousness and the way in which a computer would realize it in a simulation. He argues that most of these differences are not relevant to consciousness. For example, unlike an electronic computer, our brain is very energy efficient. But it’s implausible that this is a requirement for consciousness.

Another difference, however, lies in the causal structure of computers and brains: In a conventional computer, data must always first be loaded from memory, then processed in the central processing unit, and finally stored in memory again. There is no such separation in the brain, which means that the causal connectivity of different areas of the brain takes on a different form. Wanja Wiese argues that this could be a difference between brains and conventional computers that is relevant to consciousness.

“As I see it, the perspective offered by the free energy principle is particularly interesting, because it allows us to describe characteristics of conscious living beings in such a way that they can be realized in artificial systems in principle, but aren’t present in large classes of artificial systems (such as computer simulations),” explains Wanja Wiese. “This means that the prerequisites for consciousness in artificial systems can be captured in a more detailed and precise way.”

Wanja Wiese: "Artificial Consciousness: A Perspective From the Free Energy Principle", in: Philosophical Studies, 2024, DOI: https://doi.org/10.1007/s11098-024-02182-y
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The real question is can consciousness exist in anything OTHER than a simulation, given that our whole experience of an outside reality is generated internally in a dark skull-encased brain? How does a reality become so internalized and "known" that it can be grasped in its very reality as something existing totally beyond us? Without consciousness what we call reality ceases to exist to us. And that's a sure property of a simulation. But when the simulation is all that there is, then IT becomes the reality. Because it is then no longer simulating anything. And THAT's the paradox of it.
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I will present the following for the purposes of this discussion:

Axioms of Metaphysics
1.] The mind exists at individual points in metric space but shares a single point in sub-space. This would explain why non local mind can exist.

2.] The human brain resonates between material and immaterial levels of reality. Reality has its own frequency because it IS energy.

3.] The world and the body appear within consciousness, rather than the other way around.

4.] The higher dimension contains the separation, effecting the non-separation.

5.] When man is unprotected he will become prey to a type of logic that resides in reality(the thing we incorrectly believe can only be perceived and not mind connection that fills our flesh and blood bodies as well as everything else and thus results in non-separation and hence limitlessness).

6.] Self and non-self or God and non-God merge to become the one that distributes over the one.

7.] I am as sure of this as the shortest distance between A and B must be a straight line.

8.] Every conscious being is one conscious being existing in parallel, experiencing themselves as a separate and distinct lifeform.

9.] Mind = Reality = Language. Reality enters the mind in the form of language or information.

10.] Reality is self-perceptual. Reality observes itself.

11.] Death is an illusion of change. Whereas objects exist within time and space, reality does not.

12.] Reality is the set of all things that exist. This, as we can see, leads to the self-inclusion paradox. Reality is the subset as well as the powerset of itself.

13.] Non-separation is also known as unity by spirit

14.] God is not apparent in the matter we perceive. Therefore, as elusive as God is, He can only be known through logic and mathematics. Less so empiricism.

15.] Two things are different because they have at least one similarity in common, namely that they are both real.

16.] Your nature is identical to the universe's syntactic structure.

Note: these axioms are arguably theoretical. That is their only limitation. The underlying theme is non-separation.
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