Jul 16, 2024 04:51 PM
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REFERENCE (wikipedia): David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims
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https://youtu.be/R8TqBrrqL4U
VIDEO EXCERPTS: You've been on a whirlwind sort of tour. I guess we should start from the beginning. So first of all, lay out to people what your job was with the military, and how this all started for you.
I was a intel officer in the Air Force for 14 years, seven active ... Then I kind of had like a parallel track in the civilian intel world, when I became a reservist. Ultimately I got brought back in civil service in a government way at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency a couple of years ago at a senior level.
[...] I didn't even really think about this topic. UFOs were not on my radar. I wasn't really a believer, I was agnostic about it. Most of my career I did a lot of behind the door special access program technical type activities. I was kind of a space intelligence expert, a cyber intel expert...
[...] I do remember the day ... that I was like: "Huh? What's with this UFO stuff?"
I was briefing a senior person at the CIA about a couple hundred special access programs. So I was at the headquarters of the agency, and after the indoctrination I was giving to the senior person -- this person who worked with Luis Elizondo previously...
He said: "Dave, have you ever heard of this guy Elizondo? He's running some UFO program at the Pentagon. We all think he's crazy."
And I'm like: "I don't know who this guy is, and I don't know of any kind of UFO program."
So that sounds nuts to me, but lo and behold -- and that was like early 2017 -- in December 2017 that New York Times article comes out [...] I thought: "Holy ####, that's that guy Lou Elizondo, that I heard about."
[...] When I was a lieutenant, I used to read these reports from the Defense Intelligence Agency on black holes and stuff. And I was like -- that's stupid -- why is the DIA looking into black holes, time warps, etc -- it just didn't make any sense to me...
Much later in the video: The gaslighting
[...] They came after me so hard to try to revoke my clearance. Ruined my career, kicked me out of my agency, and they accused me of everything you could possibly think of, with no evidence.
For example, at first they they wanted to say, "Oh, Dave, you have mental health stuff you didn't report to us. We're concerned because we we think you might have an ongoing mental health issue."
I'm like what are you talking about? I reported that I had PTSD from Afghanistan in my military service several years ago.
And I sought help for that, I'm not ashamed of that.
I'm high functioning autistic. I didn't know that until my early 30s, and how I processed trauma I didn't really understand until many years later.
I sought help for that, and they were trying to say that I had some secret mental health problem that I haven't been reporting.
So I had to go through this whole process. Three agencies at the same time investigated me for that -- which I don't even know if it's legal.
They tried to say that I mishandled classified stuff. It was insane.
Apparently I was under criminal investigation for a couple of months, and I didn't even know that -- nor did they interview me.
[...] I had to spend money to basically litigate and maintain my employment, my clearance, which I did. For the record, I maintained my clearance, I resigned with full accesses. I'm just debrief now, but I maintained my top secret eligibility, and I left of my own accord.
They ruined one of my boss's careers in another agency. They walked him out of the building and revoked his clearance and terminated him, as a show of force, after they were going after me.
And I feel sorry for that certain individual. They came after co-workers of mine. I can't get into who, what, when, where, and why -- to protect their identities and their own process.
But that's what happened to me professionally. And then what happened to me personally, was very disturbing...
(Jun 27, 2024) Joe Rogan Experience #2065: "David Grusch" ... https://youtu.be/R8TqBrrqL4U
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/R8TqBrrqL4U
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https://youtu.be/R8TqBrrqL4U
VIDEO EXCERPTS: You've been on a whirlwind sort of tour. I guess we should start from the beginning. So first of all, lay out to people what your job was with the military, and how this all started for you.
I was a intel officer in the Air Force for 14 years, seven active ... Then I kind of had like a parallel track in the civilian intel world, when I became a reservist. Ultimately I got brought back in civil service in a government way at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency a couple of years ago at a senior level.
[...] I didn't even really think about this topic. UFOs were not on my radar. I wasn't really a believer, I was agnostic about it. Most of my career I did a lot of behind the door special access program technical type activities. I was kind of a space intelligence expert, a cyber intel expert...
[...] I do remember the day ... that I was like: "Huh? What's with this UFO stuff?"
I was briefing a senior person at the CIA about a couple hundred special access programs. So I was at the headquarters of the agency, and after the indoctrination I was giving to the senior person -- this person who worked with Luis Elizondo previously...
He said: "Dave, have you ever heard of this guy Elizondo? He's running some UFO program at the Pentagon. We all think he's crazy."
And I'm like: "I don't know who this guy is, and I don't know of any kind of UFO program."
So that sounds nuts to me, but lo and behold -- and that was like early 2017 -- in December 2017 that New York Times article comes out [...] I thought: "Holy ####, that's that guy Lou Elizondo, that I heard about."
[...] When I was a lieutenant, I used to read these reports from the Defense Intelligence Agency on black holes and stuff. And I was like -- that's stupid -- why is the DIA looking into black holes, time warps, etc -- it just didn't make any sense to me...
Much later in the video: The gaslighting
[...] They came after me so hard to try to revoke my clearance. Ruined my career, kicked me out of my agency, and they accused me of everything you could possibly think of, with no evidence.
For example, at first they they wanted to say, "Oh, Dave, you have mental health stuff you didn't report to us. We're concerned because we we think you might have an ongoing mental health issue."
I'm like what are you talking about? I reported that I had PTSD from Afghanistan in my military service several years ago.
And I sought help for that, I'm not ashamed of that.
I'm high functioning autistic. I didn't know that until my early 30s, and how I processed trauma I didn't really understand until many years later.
I sought help for that, and they were trying to say that I had some secret mental health problem that I haven't been reporting.
So I had to go through this whole process. Three agencies at the same time investigated me for that -- which I don't even know if it's legal.
They tried to say that I mishandled classified stuff. It was insane.
Apparently I was under criminal investigation for a couple of months, and I didn't even know that -- nor did they interview me.
[...] I had to spend money to basically litigate and maintain my employment, my clearance, which I did. For the record, I maintained my clearance, I resigned with full accesses. I'm just debrief now, but I maintained my top secret eligibility, and I left of my own accord.
They ruined one of my boss's careers in another agency. They walked him out of the building and revoked his clearance and terminated him, as a show of force, after they were going after me.
And I feel sorry for that certain individual. They came after co-workers of mine. I can't get into who, what, when, where, and why -- to protect their identities and their own process.
But that's what happened to me professionally. And then what happened to me personally, was very disturbing...
(Jun 27, 2024) Joe Rogan Experience #2065: "David Grusch" ... https://youtu.be/R8TqBrrqL4U