Broken EVs head straight to junkyards, as repair costs are unbearable

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RELATED: I thought electric cars were the future. I changed my mind. (Sabine Hossenfelder)
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Broken EVs head straight to junkyards, as repair costs are unbearable
https://youtu.be/VS13Y9-ZWSU

VIDEO EXCERPTS: EVs are significantly more expensive to repair than IC cars. For several reasons, and the first thing that comes to mind is a lack of trained professionals. Pretty much every market in the world lacks mechanics who are trained to work on electric cars.

In the UK for example, only 10% of all mechanics are licensed to work on battery electric cars. As the number of EVS on the market rises. the problem is getting bigger. According to some sources the UK will be short of 35,000 trained professionals once IC cars get banned in 2035. We are talking about the basic principle of demand and supply.

[...] When you compare the average repair prices of IC cars and electric vehicles, you'll see nothing but a drastic difference. There's the complexity of the technology, as electric cars come with intricate electrical systems ... Collisions usually lead to insurance write-offs.

Electric cars feature different structural designs, compared to IC.vehicles. In most cases after a collision, it's impossible to fix just the affected part. In most cases, the whole housing or even the battery needs to be replaced. Furthermore, even relatively small collisions can lead to critical damage to major electronic components.

And once again there is no world of repairs. Replacements are the only thing possible in such situations. These repairs usually take weeks, so the whole process is not just pricey, but long and painful.

[...] Besides batteries and other critical components, electric cars owners have also been dealing with infrastructural problems. The frequent malfunction of public chargers contributes to the overall feeling that EVs are not worth it. That is clearly one of the key reasons why EVs growth has slowed down. Electric vehicles are not as reliable as advertised.

On the other hand, what the recent survey also taught is that hybrids are the ones that show exceptional reliability...


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Actual insurance costs UK, IC and EV are generally higher for the EV .. say about £60 ($100?).. this doesn't seem like enough difference to cover the cost of an EV being written off after a minor accident.
Picking the lowest (fair use) from
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/36158...t-analysis

A= Female (28), 3yrs NCB, Teacher, Clean licence, Plymouth
B= Male (46), 5yrs NCB, Accountant, 3pts (speeding), Colchester
C= Male (65), Max NCB, Retd. director, Clean licence, Middlesborough

Vauxhall Corsa 1.2T 130 GS 5dr auto
A £479
B £493
C £310

Vauxhall Corsa Electric 100kW GS 50kWh auto
A £537
B £554
C £404

MG ZS 1.0T GDi Exclusive DCT/auto
A £522
B £522
C £368

MG ZS EV SE
A £617
B £596
C £348

In the last pair the EV insurance is cheaper for the 65 year old than for an IC car.
Teslas are expensive to insure!
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To drill down into the level of bullshit involved here..
Taking nice round figures and some guesstimates..
C pays £400 annual insurance for a car costing £40,000
After 100 years C will have paid for a replacement car.
Insurance companies have expenses (staff, advertising and other overheads) so of the £400 C pays maybe only £200 is actual insurance ..
So if the insurance company is to make a profit it will be more than 200 years before C has paid enough insurance to write off his EV and pay for a new one.
If we kind of guess that half the claims dealt with by the insurer are claims against C then this takes the insurers guess at the number of times they will be writing off his car to be somewhere around once every 400 years.
Assuming many cars are routinely scrapped after a (convenient) 10 years .. the number of EVs written off prematurely as a result of minor (or major) accidents would seem to be quite small (2.5% ish) .. this being as viewed by insurance companies rather than dipshit petrolheads. In fairness this is higher than the 2% (ish) number of IC cars written off (as judged by insurance premiums) but, as our heroine Sabine points out: EVs have better acceleration, which alone may be enough to explain the difference.

Moving on to (what I take to be) a fairly sane comparison of Tesla EV v IC (Toyota Camri?) ..
https://youtu.be/Eo-t9Q7eFW8?t=497
After 5 years and 120,000 miles..
Toyota IC: $64,300
Tesla EV: $64,280
BUT..
The Tesla has used electricity which we hope will be 'greener' than the petrol used by the IC car.
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Switching to a "down-under" view, which is arguably specious for a couple of reasons...
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UK: Epidemic of dangerous on-street EV charging
https://youtu.be/LFV49uapHK0

VIDEO INTRO: For wealthy Tesla owners with money to burn and a nice house with off-street parking, the idea of an electric vehicle must seem just fine and dandy. After a quick trip to the artisanal bakery for a soy latte and a vegan sandwich, you can just drive home and park the car on the driveway [or in the garage] and plug it in to charge on cheap overnight electricity.

But just like the politicians that are pushing this EV nonsense, they have no concept that the vast majority of ordinary folk don't have the luxury of off-street parking. And are forced to pay through the nose for the inconvenience of public charging. Which, if it's got any decent speed to it, is actually quite expensive.

So guess what? People are resorting to desperate measures to charge their EVs on the street, with all sorts of highly dangerous cable runs from home sockets out to the cars on the street.

Not only does this breach all manner of electrical regulations and can present a shock hazard to innocent pedestrians, but it also presents physical obstacles to those using the pavement. In the UK it's getting beyond a joke.

Welcome back to MGuy, a British engineer and lawyer now based in Sydney, Australia...

UK: Epidemic of dangerous on-street EV charging

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MGuy Wrote:the vast majority of ordinary folk don't have the luxury of off-street parking.
Certainly true in England where the vast majority of old (ish) houses are close to a railway station - the railway station is why the houses are where they are. The poor folks actually managed to survive without a car.
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