Ohio train derailment real dangers of hydrogen chloride VS chemophobic coverage

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https://www.science20.com/hontas_farmer/...age-256462

INTRO: On coverage of the Ohio train derailment remember the issue isn’t scary chemical names it’s what the chemical compounds are and their concentrations in the environment that are an issue. Anyone who tells you a big black cloud of chemical smoke is good to breath or ok to breath is obviously lying.

At the same time don’t be scared by merely referring to normal substances by their chemical names.  The mainstream media is rightly not overblowing this disaster.  It is bad.  You wouldn't want to consume the released substances.  At the same time, it is not anything like Chernobyl.

Take for example this well-known streamer Jeremy Hambly aka "The Quartering" who usually follows anti-woke trends of all kinds seems to find one issue on which he will act "woke", chemophobia.  The one phobia the woke left are ok with unless those chemicals are hormones and hormone blockers (which when used at the right times for the right people are totally safe but then some folks ignore the scientific guidelines.) .... (MORE - details)

RELATED (scivillage): Huge Toxic Chemical Spill in Eastern Ohio

https://youtu.be/mbrVkl9Q4IE

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/mbrVkl9Q4IE

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I agree that some voices, typically small-time posters on Twitter, are probably exaggerating how deadly this train disaster is.

But at the same time, the establishment media do seem to be downplaying it for unknown reasons of their own.

Just anecdotally, there are reports (some accompanied by photos) of dead animals, birds and streams full of dead fish.

Chemicals from the wreck have been detected (in low concentrations) as far down the Ohio river as Cincinnati. Some 10% of the US population lives in the Ohio river basin.

People in much of the evacuation area have been allowed to return to their homes. The EPA insists that it's "safe" to do so, but nobody will tell returning residents what safe levels of these chemicals is. They have had no word on whether well water is safe to drink or whether it is contaminated. Local residents are being unofficially advised to get a complete physical now, if only to document their health today before they suffer health effects in the future. These outside experts are saying that they expect a cancer cluster here in coming years.

It sounds to me like the whole thing was botched. Blow up the tank cars and then let fire break down the toxic chemicals? It's led to what may well be the biggest chemical spill in United States history. Then downplay it and hush it up as much as possible.

There hasn't been a peep from the environmental activists.

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East Palestine OH from an airplane.

Your government: 'Stop worrying! Go back to work! It's safe to breathe!'

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What a Health Risk Scientist Still Wants to Know About the Ohio Train Derailment
https://gizmodo.com/health-risks-ohio-tr...1850130109

EXCERPTS: . . . Ohio Governor Mike DeWine tweeted Wednesday that the municipal water is safe to drink. Several people responded, telling DeWine to drink the water himself and then report back to them. At a tumultuous town hall this week, community members demanded answers about their safety. Representatives from Norfolk Southern did not attend, which further angered East Palestine residents.

[...] When burned, vinyl chloride creates phosgene and hydrogen chloride, which the EPA said are no longer a threat to residents in a February 14 update. But burning can also create polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), which can be carcinogenic, according to Nachman. PAHs are not mentioned in the EPA’s derailment press page. Nachman thinks the EPA and other responding agencies should test for these PAHs near the derailment site, along with the other chemicals mentioned in its press updates.

“PAHs are not the kind of chemical where you’d be particularly worried about a short-term, high-level exposure, but… if you’re exposed for a very long period of time, even at low levels, there’s a considerable increase in a person’s cancer risk,” he said.

Nachman is also concerned about the type of data the EPA has been collecting so far. “They said most of what they’ve done is what they call monitoring. And that’s what’s done with these handheld devices that aren’t very sensitive and don’t tell you about many different chemicals.” (MORE - missing details)