Check⁉️ How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

[Yazata]

Lots of talk today that Ukrainians, or somebody associated with them, blew up the pipeline.

Multiple news agencies here in the US and in Europe are reporting that "intelligence agency sources" say that the explosives appear to have been planted by a group of six unidentified people (five men, one woman) with professionally forged passports, who hired a Ukrainian owned yacht on the Polish coast. The story goes on to say that the group included a captain, two divers, two dive support personnel and a doctor. It's still unknown/unreported whether this group was associated with the Ukrainian government or operating on their own.

And I must say that personally, I am unsure whether this information is true, or whether the US military/CIA were really responsible and are once again leaking bullshit to their friends in the media, this time to divert attention away from themselves.

In this covert-operations spy-game, you can't trust anyone (and I don't). 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/po...raine.html

[Kornee]

The NYT belatedly coming out with such BS indicates how well Hersh's revelations have spread and impacted public opinion. What a contrast to the detailed revelations of Hersh:
https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2023/...m-pipeline
As usual, MOA fingers it:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/no....html#more
Just the massive size of each of eight explosive charges used (only six detonated) precludes any puny Ukrainian frogmen op:
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-...otage-work
Ignoring the flimsy attempt to implicate Russia there, the important passage is:

"In contrast, pipelines are easy to find, but typically partially buried or protected by concrete, so require a large explosive charge to damage. Nord Stream 1, for instance, has concrete coating up to 11cm thick. Danish officials say that each explosion caused a seismic event equivalent to 500kg of TNT. That is roughly the same as a car-bomb, though the pressure of gas in the pipeline would contribute to that effect."

Yeah easy for frogmen on a boat to slip that much explosive down undetected. Not. And as Hersh explained way back, the pipes were buried meters under the sea floor.
Requiring sophisticated and high powered water jet excavation to uncover before ~ 3 to 4 tons of explosives could be strategically placed. Go for it froggies on a boat!

[Kornee]

And fresh from ever reliable MOA, amazingly confirming my semi jesting last post re ludicrous NYT claim suggesting Ukrainian froggies in a boat blowing up Nord Stream I & II pipelines:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/no...ators.html
A sailing boat no less! Can't get much higher tech than that.

Why can't they come clean and admit it was the work of just one individual. Someone who stands for Truth, Justice, AND the American Way. Blue tuxedo, Red cape, and a big S emblazoned on his chest. No guesses!

[RainbowUnicorn]

Some of you here will remain convinced Russia insanely sabotaged it's only steady source of real income. For those with a functioning brain:
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-...ord-stream
I had previously linked to an article where former UK PM Theresa May was quoted as having sent an intercepted SMS to perhaps Nuland or Blinken: 'it's done'.
So the only real question is who out of the US or UK actually did the physical dirty job.
Regardless, it was as per current article, an act of war. The full consequences yet to play out.

the perfect provocation for russia to invade ukraine and start a war against NATO.

10 day 'special Military operation' is currently nearly in its 400th day with 155,000 dead russian soldiers

[Yazata]

This is from today's Times of London:

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[Kornee]

Sigh. Looks like I need to quote a commenter who may well be on to something.
From https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/no...ators.html

"IMHO this is not only a diversion from Hersh´s report and him blaming the US.
This could also be a try to take an off-ramp out of the war that is factually lost.
Put the blame on the Ukrainians who stabbed their benefactors in the back and prepare the way out of this large scale (and further unsustainable) support of 404.
"Those pesky Ukros are not thankful so we should scale back our support for them"."

[stryder]

I'll put it simply rather than dodging around the point.

Russia was acting like a Crack Dealer pimp with the pipework knowing that europe for the most part was hooked on their candy. It generated room for a european divide, especially with Viktor Orbán intent on taking a continued supply from Russia (along with throwing a spanner in the works)

Keeping the pipeline intact would of played in Russias favour, it's destruction on the otherhand pushed for a "cold turkey" solution and took whatever political clout was being flung about for the continued usage off the table.

The actual culprit was:
Wally the Walrus (wikipedia.org)

[Image: File:Wally_the_Walrus,_Tenby.jpg]

who'd of thought he'd had spec ops training.

[C C]

I'll put it simply rather than dodging around the point.

Russia was acting like a Crack Dealer pimp with the pipework knowing that europe for the most part was hooked on their candy. It generated room for a european divide, especially with Viktor Orbán intent on taking a continued supply from Russia (along with throwing a spanner in the works)

Keeping the pipeline intact would of played in Russias favour, it's destruction on the otherhand pushed for a "cold turkey" solution and took whatever political clout was being flung about for the continued usage off the table.

The actual culprit was:
Wally the Walrus (wikipedia.org)

who'd of thought he'd had spec ops training.

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This is from today's Times of London:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqsPshWWAAEZ...name=small

I considered it a "Murder On The Orient Express" situation, where the majority gave their secret approval beforehand and/or additionally facilitated the "murder" in some way. The alternative of NATO cooperatively with the EU uncovering whodunnit afterward, but keeping mum, is kind of the same territory (acquiescence; the "passengers" are in cahoots with whoever it ultimately is).

[Kornee]

I'll put it simply rather than dodging around the point. 

Russia was acting like a Crack Dealer pimp with the pipework knowing that europe for the most part was hooked on their candy.  It generated room for a european divide, especially with Viktor Orbán intent on taking a continued supply from Russia (along with throwing a spanner in the works) 

Keeping the pipeline intact would of played in Russias favour, it's destruction on the otherhand pushed for a "cold turkey" solution and took whatever  political clout was being flung about for the continued usage off the table.

The actual culprit was:
Wally the Walrus (wikipedia.org)

[Image: File:Wally_the_Walrus,_Tenby.jpg]

who'd of thought he'd had spec ops training.

My Superman quip beats your Wally the Walrus quip easy. Anyway.....
The lines here have long been drawn. Everyone except me follows the official MSM/US state Department/CIA narrative - US/NATO/Ukraine are the good guys; Russia the Imperialist War Mongering Aggressor (China too!). Understood.

That obvious fact aside - would it be too much to ask to place a red text note, at the start of post #1, clearly stating it was a mod decision to modify the original title of this thread?
And how about making that an ongoing general policy to boot. Sounds reasonable?

[Kornee]

Seems the message has not gotten through. stryder - is there anything not clear re my request last post?
Do you not concur that belated mod initiated altering a thread title to give it a quite different slant from the OP's intent, carries an ethical obligation to make that clear to all and sundry?
AT THE THREAD OUTSET.
As you all know, I kowtow to no one. If you are not prepared to make that requested change, fine. In which case, spare me further angst here and just ban me permanently.
You can portray that as juvenile temper tantrums or whatever. I don't care. From my pov it's a matter of basic ethical principle.
Your choice.