Check⁉️ How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

[stryder]

I've been busy in the real world. It means sometimes I can't react as timely as I would like, but I assure you I had an idea of how to deal with this using something of the forum software. Like I mentioned before it wasn't a direct attack at something you've written or consider, I was actually considering how to go about doing a sitewide change for streamlining content and trying to bulletproof against those changes that various governments might attempt to enforce in the future.

For that I've come up with this (Thread for it so it doesn't hijack this thread):
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-13798.html

Incidentally I do apologise that I make this thread the defacto testbed for the change (I doubt I'll "Grandfather" it to older threads.)

[confused2]

I was slightly surprised that the thread I got wasn't the same as the thread I clicked on in the 'Forum' section what it said in the forum .. maybe precede anything mildly contraversial with 'Hypotheses'. Check is a bit ..
Bread? Check.
Butter? Check.
Marmite? Check.
Landing gear down? Check.
Maybe that's just me.

[stryder]

I was slightly surprised that the thread I got wasn't the same as the thread I clicked on in the 'Forum' section what it said in the forum .. maybe precede anything mildly contraversial with 'Hypotheses'. Check is a bit ..
Bread? Check.
Butter? Check.
Marmite? Check.
Landing gear down? Check.
Maybe that's just me.

Well it both means "Check" for facts (be it non-factual or not) and "Check" in "Check this out". I'm open to suggestions on prefixes though.

[Yazata]

The lines here have long been drawn. Everyone except me follows the official MSM/US state Department/CIA narrative - US/NATO/Ukraine are the good guys; Russia the Imperialist War Mongering Aggressor (China too!). Understood.

I don't think that's entirely true. I wrote this on March 7 (highlighting by me, today):

Lots of talk today that Ukrainians, or somebody associated with them, blew up the pipeline.

Multiple news agencies here in the US and in Europe are reporting that "intelligence agency sources" say that the explosives appear to have been planted by a group of six unidentified people (five men, one woman) with professionally forged passports, who hired a Ukrainian owned yacht on the Polish coast. The story goes on to say that the group included a captain, two divers, two dive support personnel and a doctor. It's still unknown/unreported whether this group was associated with the Ukrainian government or operating on their own.

And I must say that personally, I am unsure whether this information is true, or whether the US military/CIA were really responsible and are once again leaking bullshit to their friends in the media, this time to divert attention away from themselves.

In this covert-operations spy-game, you can't trust anyone (and I don't).

[Kornee]

I've been busy in the real world.  It means sometimes I can't react as timely as I would like, but I assure you I had an idea of how to deal with this using something of the forum software.  Like I mentioned before it wasn't a direct attack at something you've written or consider, I was actually considering how to go about doing a sitewide change for streamlining content and trying to bulletproof against those changes that various governments might attempt to enforce in the future.
For that I've come up with this (Thread for it so it doesn't hijack this thread):
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-13798.html
Incidentally I do apologise that I make this thread the defacto testbed for the change (I doubt I'll "Grandfather" it to older threads.)

OK thanks for making that move. A little different than I expected but it's sure better than previously.

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The lines here have long been drawn. Everyone except me follows the official MSM/US state Department/CIA narrative - US/NATO/Ukraine are the good guys; Russia the Imperialist War Mongering Aggressor (China too!). Understood.

I don't think that's entirely true. I wrote this on March 7 (highlighting by me, today):

Lots of talk today that Ukrainians, or somebody associated with them, blew up the pipeline.

Multiple news agencies here in the US and in Europe are reporting that "intelligence agency sources" say that the explosives appear to have been planted by a group of six unidentified people (five men, one woman) with professionally forged passports, who hired a Ukrainian owned yacht on the Polish coast. The story goes on to say that the group included a captain, two divers, two dive support personnel and a doctor. It's still unknown/unreported whether this group was associated with the Ukrainian government or operating on their own.

And I must say that personally, I am unsure whether this information is true, or whether the US military/CIA were really responsible and are once again leaking bullshit to their friends in the media, this time to divert attention away from themselves.

In this covert-operations spy-game, you can't trust anyone (and I don't).

I was being intentionally polarizing and obviously couldn't really lump in every lurker inhabiting this forum, and do admit you haven't being using orcs = Russians lately.

[RainbowUnicorn]

I'll put it simply rather than dodging around the point. 

Russia was acting like a Crack Dealer pimp with the pipework knowing that europe for the most part was hooked on their candy.  It generated room for a european divide, especially with Viktor Orbán intent on taking a continued supply from Russia (along with throwing a spanner in the works) 

Keeping the pipeline intact would of played in Russias favour, it's destruction on the otherhand pushed for a "cold turkey" solution and took whatever  political clout was being flung about for the continued usage off the table.

The actual culprit was:
Wally the Walrus (wikipedia.org)

who'd of thought he'd had spec ops training.

SOo the Mutineering high explosive kamikaze russian killer dolphins is less likely ?
or Spencer the spetsnaz special purposes Porpoise