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Woman says homeless man continues to camp out on her porch (Left Coast community)

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C C Offline
Karla Marx (Daily Nuggets From The Temple of Wisdom): Why was this woman complaining? Residents should be voluntarily giving the homeless access to their property. Practice Woke do-gooderism now, don't compel saintly government to eventually force it upon us (it's overloaded as it is with respect to particularly addressing all the many injustices our society wallows in).

Granted, this current, indirect method may crudely equate to the latter intervention. But the police simply releasing _X_ to do the same again and again is surely a tad more costly, or eats-up time better spent on real crime, due to the number of times they have to process these figures of deserving sympathy.

We should be responsible socialists Wokesters and let these harmless, needy meth-heads have a share of our property. Stop being privileged twits.

Even if you're a prole, you're far from being the bottom rung of the ladder anymore. Instead of selfishly working incrementally to your own wealth and property accumulation, share or give a good chunk of it to these "wildflowers in their hair" adult waifs of the streets. Don't bar the door to this abused and victimized traveler of life.

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https://youtu.be/zCnyEzchpnc

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/zCnyEzchpnc
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#2
Syne Offline
What are the odds this woman still voted Democrat?
If you expect change, vote differently.
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confused2 Offline
I lived in a city where..
If you were homeless and cold and hungry and you broke a window you would be arrested and given food and a warm place to stay for the night. The UK doesn't (as far as I know) have a constitution but it is 'difficult' if/when people die in custody. I don't think many police sign up with a view to throwing  bodies into a river or digging up fresh graves and adding an extra tenant - the laws in this country may not be well defined but I think they would most likely frown on the disposal of bodies in this way.
The US has a completely  different set of rules whereby you can shoot and kill people trespassing or damaging your property but you have to do it yourself - the problem for many is that the police won't routinely execute people on the spot no matter how obvious the crime.
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#4
Syne Offline
^^Ignorance of US law. Stand your ground laws don't mean anyone can execute others for simply trespassing or vandalism. There still has to be a threat to your or others life or limb. But you have the right to protect your property, and if the criminal threatens you, you have the right to defend yourself.

No one in the US expects police to execute anyone, as that would violate due process of law. Again, the criminal has to be a threat for police to use deadly force.
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#5
confused2 Offline
Syne Wrote:Stand your ground laws don't mean anyone [.. or the police] ] can execute others for simply trespassing or vandalism.
So you can't (or don't) kill them and they keep coming back alive. Your proposed solution is..?
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Syne Offline
Well, that woman sure sounded like she felt unsafe, with a homeless druggie living on her porch and, at least once, trying to get into her house. If she were armed and in a stand your ground state (neither likely in California, again due to their voting) and confronted this vagrant, if she felt threatened, she could defend herself with lethal force. The druggie put himself in that situation, and it would be the druggie who threatened her.

But in most law and order states, repeated arrests for trespassing could lead to a restraining order and/or lengthened jail time with each occurrence. Not the revolving door of catch and release leftist states.

I realize that UK citizens have no such recourse, and this is likely all completely alien to a culture conditioned to just shut up and take it. Poor guy who egged King Charles can't get caught just bringing eggs home from the grocery store, and law abiding citizens can't bring cutlery along for a picnic. I guess all those willing to fight for their freedom went across the pond ages ago.
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stryder Offline
(Nov 13, 2022 02:46 AM)Syne Wrote: Well, that woman sure sounded like she felt unsafe, with a homeless druggie living on her porch and, at least once, trying to get into her house. If she were armed and in a stand your ground state (neither likely in California, again due to their voting) and confronted this vagrant, if she felt threatened, she could defend herself with lethal force. The druggie put himself in that situation, and it would be the druggie who threatened her.

But in most law and order states, repeated arrests for trespassing could lead to a restraining order and/or lengthened jail time with each occurrence. Not the revolving door of catch and release leftist states.

I realize that UK citizens have no such recourse, and this is likely all completely alien to a culture conditioned to just shut up and take it. Poor guy who egged King Charles can't get caught just bringing eggs home from the grocery store, and law abiding citizens can't bring cutlery along for a picnic. I guess all those willing to fight for their freedom went across the pond ages ago.

I'm pretty sure in the UK a person can defend themselves if attacked, however it will likely require being taken to court to prove they defended themselves (or others) where there was no other options left.

In the case of the that "porch pirate", they could put a Tag on him (Tracking ankle bracelet) which is geolocked to alarm (A police responder and household) if he goes near the location hes not suppose to be. (would be a little different than the standard version of geolocking people "to" a location during house arrest.)
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#8
C C Offline
I expected to find something about the situation being remedied later, once she got her problem reported on the news, back then. But nada.

Apparently it's risky to sleep on public benches in Van Nuys because of the threat of being set afire, etc. So residential neighborhoods are safer.

One thing is clear about the overall metropolitan area. Don't ever offer to help two homeless men with "city assistance" in order to tempt them to leave (video below).

Assistance from the welfare state apparatus must really be the pits. (Sadism disguised as altruism? Wouldn't be the first time.)

As an alternative, maybe offer them help from a church organization or other volunteer (charitable) program. Except that -- yeah, the militant ones complain about the preaching, lecturing, etc. 

Homeowner assaulted by homeless ... https://youtu.be/UOU-f2g-NWc

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/UOU-f2g-NWc
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#9
Syne Offline
But UK citizens are not allowed any means of lethal force that would not put themselves at risk as well. Almost anyone, with anything but a projectile weapon, can run the risk of being overpowered by a druggie. So when you have an equal risk of dying as defending yourself, many don't defend themselves and just rely on the hope that they survive.

Depending on the state and the circumstances, self-defense can require an investigation and possible court case to justify in the US as well. There's a whole industry of providing legal defense insurance for self-defense cases.

The question is whether the police, in California or the UK, would bother to authorize and monitor an ankle tracker. How many such vagrants would require the same? And it's not like it's a shock collar. It still requires the police to respond. And in California, it'd just be more repetitions of catch and release.
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