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New study indicates that invoking “white privilege” often backfires

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C C Offline
https://theconversation.com/use-of-white...ive-181013

EXCERPTS: A wide variety of historical, economic and cultural forces combine to allow a larger percentage of whites to climb up the socioeconomic ladder than Blacks and Hispanics.

Some people call the combined effects of these forces “white privilege.” Though these words are commonly used, research by Lia Bozarth and me has found that use of “white privilege” on social media can actually decrease support for racially progressive policies.

We found that the term can increase online political polarization and lead to lower quality conversations on social media. In particular, the term drives some whites who would otherwise support efforts toward racial equality away from online conversations.

[...] In our study, the term “white privilege” changed the behavior of some whites. But the psychology behind this change is common to all humans. In fact, the psychological research that first examined this effect focused on Blacks’ performance in school.

The term “white privilege” taps into a deep-seated tendency as old as humanity.

As social creatures, humans are naturally inclined to split the world into “us” and “them.” This can lead to thinking of others – and sometimes ourselves – as a stereotypical member of our group.

[...] Phrases like “white privilege” play on this reasoning by implying that all whites are similar and have the same negative traits. Unsurprisingly, the accusation – even subtly implied – that everyone in your race is “bad” can create strong reactions. Some people will just disregard the speaker entirely.

But many others will feel intense visceral emotions such as anger, which can lead us to be more confrontational, or shame, which can cause people to withdraw.

When faced with the term “white privilege,” it’s not surprising that some whites will look less favorably on the speaker’s ideas. And it makes sense that the whites who are more sympathetic will tend to withdraw.

Of course this reaction, which psychologists call “social identity threat,” is not unique to white people. At some point in their lives, everyone feels unwelcome or devalued because of a group they identify as part of, whether that’s being Black, white, Hispanic, young, old, female, male, Christian or atheist.

[...] Surveys show that an overwhelming majority of Americans think that everyone should get an equal shot at success, and numerous studies have shown that race is involved in economic opportunity and social mobility. While the data is clear that racial inequality persists in America, its causes are complex and have so far proven intractable. ... Words matter, and our research demonstrates how phrases like “white privilege” affect the way controversial issues on race are perceived... (MORE - missing details)
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Magical Realist Offline
Quote:When faced with the term “white privilege,” it’s not surprising that some whites will look less favorably on the speaker’s ideas. And it makes sense that the whites who are more sympathetic will tend to withdraw.

Of course this reaction, which psychologists call “social identity threat,” is not unique to white people. At some point in their lives, everyone feels unwelcome or devalued because of a group they identify as part of, whether that’s being Black, white, Hispanic, young, old, female, male, Christian or atheist.

It's dehumanizing and conversation-stopping to be referred to as a demographic, or a member of group. The individuality of the member is dismissed in favor of a type which defines the member in a limited and objective way. It's the effect of being plastered with a label, no longer a free and unique self to be related to as a subject and not defined as an object. If whites don't like that, then join the club folks. It's something minority groups have to deal with everyday.
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confused2 Offline
I think of myself (and may well have indicated so on this forum) as white trash. On a good day (and only on a good day) I exceed my lowest expectations.
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Kornee Offline
For some strange reason the one group always excluded from being lumped with 'white privilege' -> 'white supremacist' pejorative(s) are far and away the most privileged and supremacist-minded and vastly over represented at-the-top demographic. Whilst simultaneously the most vociferous advocates/agitators/promoters of those anti-white terms and their political/ideological implementation. Especially via Hollywood, MSM, and Marxist dominated academia.
Hmm.... makes some folks suspect something other than pure virtuosity is the underlying motivation and long term goal. Ah yes, might as well post those links again:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kFuTWwNrwnPG/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcQFsO_Df9k
Sorry if those make you feel uncomfortable. Well actually no, I'm not sorry, just sad the reaction is typically cowardly silence.
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Kornee Offline
Gloves off for me. Sick and tired of the immense double standards and outright raging hypocrisy that has led to the current political/ideological 'Western Democracies' Gulag.
Happy reading folks:
https://historyreviewed.best/index.php/w...penly-say/
What - that is just vile Jew bating antisemitism you say? So point out where any of the numerous quotes from prominent members of The Tribe have been taken out of context.
Simples.
I was banned at another forum as 'an antisemitic hate monger'. The charge was not and could not be justified in any rational, objective way. Didn't have to be.
Fact-free PC polemic was evidently sufficient justification for a summary trial, sentence, and execution of perma-ban. Something predicted and fully expected ahead of time.
Well at least there has been no mandatory state imposed heavy fines and lengthy jail time. Or arson attack and/or being beaten up by hired thugs. As has been the situation for many brave souls elsewhere - including numbers of so-called self-hating Jews btw. But give it time.
And I do realize this little 'tirade' could have me chucked out here too.
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confused2 Offline
The connection has timed out

The server at historyreviewed.best is taking too long to respond.
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Kornee Offline
(May 22, 2022 10:32 AM)confused2 Wrote: The connection has timed out

The server at historyreviewed.best is taking too long to respond.
I just checked again and no connection problems for me. Maybe try a different browser or use e.g. a free vpn browser extension and see if that solves the issue. If so then suspect geographic specific censorship of one form or another.

PS - Decided awhile ago to save (for a fairly obvious reason) this page to Archive.org. The then current URL is:
https://web.archive.org/web/202205220713...penly-say/
That should (hopefully) overcome any direct censorship blocking. However it is a fact a certain all-powerful lobby group has forced Archive.org to cave in and 'disappear' 'controversial' 'securely saved for posterity in perpetuity' webpages. Fingers crossed! Sad
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C C Offline
Quote:[Re:] Why ALL Whites must DIE! The INTENSE Jewish HATRED of the White Race: What Jews OPENLY SAY!
https://historyreviewed.best/index.php/w...penly-say/

Sure, there are radicals in the Jewish community (as both individual contrarians and members of some faction/movement)... Just as there are extremists in any population group. But in terms of avoiding fallacy, that only warrants zeroing in on that specific sub-label or that specific thought orientation, and not attributing their particular personality slash political characteristics to the general designation of or the whole of their applicable population group. (I.e., expressing "Jews" absolutely, without qualifiers or mitigation.)

The contemporary irony of such "Jews HATE white people" rhetoric is that the Left's anti-racist (CRT) faction classifies Jews as "white", and thus part of its conspiracy theory of white privilege and the redefining of white supremacy:

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/jews-are-n...ion-685368

“The United States today is undergoing a cultural transformation as radical as the one last seen in the 1960s,” writes Stephens. Among the most disturbing changes: “Race is replacing ethnicity as a defining marker of group and personal identification.”

Nor is it limited to American Jews. Israelis are now being castigated as “white.” And if Israeli Jews are white, then who are the people of color that these “white Jews” must be oppressing through their white supremacy? The Palestinians, of course.


Long preceding that was the Nation of Islam's belief that the scientist Yakub created white people 6,000 years ago -- with Jews included in that "white" category:

The name Ya`qub (Yakub) is the Arabic variant of the name of the Biblical Patriarch known as Jacob in English language versions of the Bible, and as Ya`qob in Biblical Hebrew. [...] The idea that Jews were an "artificial race" created by interbreeding and dependent on "tricks and lies" already existed in anti-Semitic theories of the time. The story of Yakub includes Jews as part of a wider artificially created "white" race. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)


There are plenty of Jewish conservatives (the Jewish community isn't inherently leftist), as well as the self-proclaimed "liberals mugged by reality" like Melanie Phillips (note her opinion piece titled "Why even black and brown-skinned Jews are “white imperialists” [according to Church of Woke]). Leftist sources like Rational Wiki call her Mad Mel (which is to say, it's OK to be misogynistic when it's a conservative woman, TERF, one gone rogue from the Party, etc): "Mad Mel, an ex-communist cum-right-wing battle-axe batshit insane British journalist. And that's putting it nicely."

But American Jews certainly didn't all belong to the communist party even back in the old days, and the descendants of those who were did not migrate wholesale to the New Left -- many were too severely disillusioned for even that.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/...-communism

"[In] this country there was a time when virtually all intellectual vitality was derived in one way or another from the Communist Party. If you were not somewhere within the party’s wide orbit, then you were likely to be in the opposition, which meant that much of your thought and energy had to be devoted to maintaining yourself in opposition. In either case, it was the Communist Party that ultimately determined what you were to think about and in what terms."

This was written not in the Soviet Union or one of its satellites, but in New York in 1947 by Robert Warshow in Commentary magazine about the American culture of the previous decade. While slightly hyperbolic (the Southern Agrarians, the American Scholar, etc.) it faithfully describes American Jewish culture of the time, emphatically including its Yiddish branch.

At the extreme of this movement were people like Julius Rosenberg, George Koval, and Mark Zborowski, who actively spied for the Soviet Union. At the same time, editors of Communist publications, Hollywood and union activists, party writers and institutional leaders were all directed by Moscow and were joined by rank-and-file members in promoting the virtues of Stalinism over the evils of American constitutional democracy.

A more current source, the Jewish Women’s Archive Encyclopedia, assures us that of about 83,000 Communist Party members in 1943, women formed about 46 percent:

"CP historians estimate, moreover, that almost half of the party’s membership was Jewish in the 1930s and 1940s, and that approximately 100,000 Jews passed through the party in those decades of high member turnover. It seems safe to say, then, that Jewish women were one of the CP’s largest sectors during the Depression and war years; and for each who was a “card-carrying” Communist, there were several who took part in party-led mass organizations but did not belong to the party itself." (Entry on Communism in the United States)"

The tone here is celebratory, taking pride in Jewish prominence in Communist activities. Like Barbra Streisand’s character in The Way We Were, who enchants the WASPy American Robert Redford, these Communist women are introduced as champions of a noble cause. Vivian Gornick recently gushed in the New York Times over the Communists who prodded the United States “into becoming the democracy it always said it was.”


Going back to Nation of Islam... in addition to the antisemitic propaganda, they have even consorted with the "real" white supremacist clubs in the past:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_...tisemitism

Elijah Muhammad's pro-separation views were compatible with those of some white supremacist organizations in the 1960s. He reportedly met with leaders of the Ku Klux Klan in 1961 to work toward the purchase of farmland in the deep south. He eventually established Temple Farms, now Muhammad Farms, on a 5,000-acre (20 km2) tract in Terrell County, Georgia.[32] George Lincoln Rockwell, founder of the American Nazi Party once called Muhammad "the Hitler of the black man." At the 1962 Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Rockwell addressed Nation of Islam members. Many in the audience booed and heckled him and his men, for which Muhammad rebuked them in the April 1962 issue of Muhammad Speaks.

[...] Criticisms of perceived Jewish "control". Elijah Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan, Khalid Abdul Muhammad, and other NOI ministers have been frequently critical of what they perceive as the Jewish control over African American society, their beliefs frequently approaching conspiracy theory. For example:

[color=#003300]"We are not giving them [Jews] power by getting into the debate, they already have power. They control Black intellectuals, they control Black politicians, Black preachers, Black artists—they control Black life. I’m not against Jews, I’m against control by any group, of us...I don’t know how you can talk about Black liberation without confronting that and not talk about those who stifle Black thought, freedom of Black liberation.


Is there any consolation in Louis Farrakhan being patriotic, despite the quasi-veiled doctrinal enmity for white people and Jews?

Farrakhan gave a speech attacking then National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, and presidential advisor (later Chicago mayor) Rahm Emanuel. In regards to their names, he stated that "Every Jewish person that is around the president is a dual citizen of Israel and the United States of America...and sometimes, we have to raise the question, Are you more loyal to the state of Israel than you are to the best interests of the United States of America?"


OTOH, if someone belongs to either the Nation of Islam or especially global Islam "proper", the mainstream may criticize one to an extent, but probably not cancel one for antisemitism (Regressive Left). Like YouTube inventing a variety of excuses for why certain social media icons don't really mean what they say...

YouTube restricts violent hate speech, except Jihadist antisemitism
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-12061-...l#pid50199
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confused2 Offline
[Re:] Why ALL Whites must DIE! The INTENSE Jewish HATRED of the White Race: What Jews OPENLY SAY!
https://historyreviewed.best/index.php/w...penly-say/

The shouty style of presentation convinced me this is a lunatic presentation by a lunatic. No comment on the content - I have better things to think about.
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C C Offline
(May 22, 2022 08:24 PM)confused2 Wrote: [Re:] Why ALL Whites must DIE! The INTENSE Jewish HATRED of the White Race: What Jews OPENLY SAY!
https://historyreviewed.best/index.php/w...penly-say/

The shouty style of presentation convinced me this is a lunatic presentation by a lunatic. No comment on the content - I have better things to think about.

Over the years I've encountered quotes and excerpts from speeches, essays, books, articles by Jewish leaders and scholars that express controversial views. But a reciprocal publication applying such to the general Jewish community is, again, in the same context as asserting that the KKK represents the mindset of all white people or the Nation of Islam represents the mindset of all African-Americans.

Another way to put it is that pretending the far rightists don't have these sources (from the horse's mouth) to feed their thought orientations -- in this particular case, pretending that Jews are the lone population group in the world that is devoid of crackpots -- isn't helping anyone. That systematic pretentiousness of ignoring _X_ can send a signal to the extremists that they are justified slash onto something and is a stimulus for naïve, potential recruits that maybe an odd double-standard is indeed transpiring.
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