The puzzle of North America's record Covid hospital rate

[confused2]

Now you're just lying.

You've got it!
Once ill, rather than admit to stupidity people claim they've been vaccinated. Only if someone is in hospital for any length of time do their health records catch up with them. The result is that the figures you're looking at simply ain't true.

[Syne]

Now you're just lying.

You've got it!
Once ill, rather than admit to stupidity people claim they've been vaccinated. Only if someone is in hospital for any length of time do their health records catch up with them. The result is that the figures you're looking at simply ain't true.

Now you're just making up conspiratorial nonsense to justify your beliefs. It's sad.

[Leigha]

I don't think it's a ''puzzle'' as much as the Covid numbers being inflated by hospitals to gain more money. To Syne's point, even Fauci admitted that many people admitted into the hospital are suffering from complications ''with'' Covid as opposed to directly from it, so if someone ends up in the emergency room because they don't have health insurance, or they have another set of symptoms unrelated to Covid yet test positive for Covid, the hospital checks the box for Covid and gains 'x' amount of dollars.

What's ''puzzling'' is that it's being allowed to go on.

[confused2]

Spin spin spin.
even Fauci admitted ..

When things don't 'add up' then someone is either lying or has got their facts wrong. Looking at UK hospital covid admissions either patients are lying when admitted (conspiracy A) or the people with the test results that show whether or not a person has been vaccinated are lying (conspiracy B). Syne thinks the people with the test results are liars and I think people are lying about their vaccination status so as not to get sent to the naughty beds.

[Syne]

Spin spin spin.
even Fauci admitted ..

When things don't 'add up' then someone is either lying or has got their facts wrong. Looking at UK hospital covid admissions either patients are lying when admitted (conspiracy A) or the people with the test results that show whether or not a person has been vaccinated are lying (conspiracy B). Syne thinks the people with the test results are liars and I think people are lying about their vaccination status so as not to get sent to the naughty beds.

You're still lying.
I've never said either, but you're so desperate to have reality abode by your ideology that you have to make up such BS. But go ahead. Show us all where you imagined me saying anyone was lying about anyone's vaccination status. You can't, because it doesn't exist.

The fact that you think it must be one conspiracy or another demonstrates that you're really just a conspiracy nutter.

[confused2]

This may be a blatant lie, or maybe it isn't.

The UK Health Security Agency said studies using data through Dec. 29 ..[show] .. People who are fully vaccinated and boosted who get the omicron variant are 81% less likely to be admitted to a hospital than those who are unvaccinated,

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Show us all where you imagined me saying anyone was lying about anyone's vaccination status.

Quite clearly, I suggested (in my opinion) the most likely explanation for the difference between raw vaccination status on entry to hospital and 'studies' is that patients are lying so as not to get sent to the naughty beds. Your claim is that the people carrying out 'studies' are either lying or woefully ill-informed.

[Leigha]

I don't think it matters if people are lying about vaccination status or not (in terms of skewing percentages), but what matters is why the person is entering the hospital and what the hospital is listing as the reason for admittance. That is where the lies begin, from the hospital perspective. This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is actually happening...

[Syne]

This may be a blatant lie, or maybe it isn't.

The UK Health Security Agency said studies using data through Dec. 29 ..[show] .. People who are fully vaccinated and boosted who get the omicron variant are 81% less likely to be admitted to a hospital than those who are unvaccinated,

See, all you can do is repeatedly make an appeal to authority...that doesn't even speak to my points.

Show us all where you imagined me saying anyone was lying about anyone's vaccination status.

Quite clearly, I suggested (in my opinion) the most likely explanation for the difference between raw vaccination status on entry to hospital and 'studies' is that patients are lying so as not to get sent to the naughty beds.

Yes, it is quite clear that you're a conspiracy theorist.

Your claim is that the people carrying out 'studies' are either lying or woefully ill-informed.

You're still lying. Where do you imagine I've said anything of the sort?
Go ahead, quote it. You can't, because you just lying...as usual.

Well, to be fair, you're probably so self-deluded that you don't realize that you're lying to yourself. And you're no intellectually honest enough to go looking if or where you may have gotten the impression I said anything of the sort. That part definitely does reflect on your character, as you're making claims about what I've said...not just the lies you tell yourself.

[confused2]

^^ I have no idea what you're on about. Do you even understand that the [edit UK] raw data on vaxxed and unvaxxed hospital admissions with covid and 'studies' are incompatible?

[Syne]

^^Of course you don't. That's the very nature of self-delusion. You won't let yourself understand anything that goes against your existing bias.
I'd be willing to bet you're looking at studies of a different time frame and trying to match that up with the current hospital admission data. That doesn't work.
But maybe you'd like to shows us the exact data and sources, side by side.