(UK) The "climate alarmists are a religious cult" proposal

[C C]

Will the climate alarmists ever calm down?
https://www.spiked-online.com/video/will...calm-down/

INTRO: Brendan, Ella and Fraser discuss global warming, flooding and Net Zero on the Spiked podcast. Watch the full episode here.

EXCERPT (from the video segment below): I think we're starting to see just how cultish environmentalism has become and how religious it's become; and I don't mean that as an insult to religious people -- there are all sorts of interesting and good religious people.

But the politics of climate change, the climate change alarmism, has become this kind of end of world cultish world view -- that's what it is, the way it talks about floods as a kind of lesson for mankind and punishment for our hubris. It talks about the coming apocalypse, the wiping out of human life, potentially the wiping out of all life. [Extinction Rebellion]

It has this idea of sin, this notion that if you do certain things you are harming the environment, you're harming the polar bears, you're harming the ozone layer. I don't know if people talk about the ozone layer anymore [laugh] -- but you're harming something or other, and therefore you need to self-flagellate you need to do penance. You need to recycle a certain amount in order to make up for your eco sin.

So it's a very religious movement, and I think the floods that have taken place the ones in Europe have been absolutely devastating. There have also been floods in London, and what I've noticed is that lots of people with a green mindset almost relish these kinds of events because they hold them up instantly as proof of their thesis.

This is what we are going to get, and what they're essentially saying is this is what we deserve because we've dared to live in an industrialized modern society that emphasizes economic progress and economic growth (although not enough as far as I'm concerned). 

It has this very religious feel to it, but I think I really agree with the point Ella's making. There's always been this contradiction in environmentalism between on the one hand the crazy claims they make about the coming apocalypse and how disastrous it will be, billions wiped out and the planet on fire etc -- and what they then demand that people do.

And what they demand that people do, is separate your rubbish, or drive to the supermarket less, or go on holiday once a year rather than twice a year. So if you go on one of their demonstrations, which they used to have a lot of in the past, it would all be about the end of the world -- but they'd all be dancing and waving things around. There was always a mismatch between what they claimed and what they did.

I think it's a confused movement, they don't really know what they're talking about. But it seems to me that the engine of it is this depressive misanthropic view that mankind is a destructive force, a plague on the planet. We are going to land in the crap if we don't start changing our ways... (MORE - the complete podcast)

Only one section of the full video, partial transcript excerpt above
https://youtu.be/Au8boXxz9wY

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Au8boXxz9wY

[confused2]

what they're essentially saying is this is what we deserve because we've dared to live in an industrialized modern society that emphasizes economic progress and economic growth

I happened to be looking at (buying) solar panels recently. A throw away comment was that the US (on average) needs 10kW, the UK 4kW and 'the others' very much less.
I can see that you might want two holidays a year if you live in Pitsville - but why are you living in Pitsville in the first place?
The things that seem obvious to an American (It's the economy, stupid) can seem totally opaque to a young person from another country. In a few years y'all will be needing 15kW solar panels with the batteries to match - or some other way of generating more electricity - and you'll call that progress.

[Syne]

The UK is a relatively tiny country, with very little variety of climate. The US has a very large variety of climates, many requiring almost year round AC. Don't be so provincially naive.

[Zinjanthropos]

Maybe, just maybe, the climate alarmists are going to drive the economy for the next few years. If the coming apocalypse is about to unfold then we are going to need to adapt to it. Its just the way it is. In order to do so we will have to build to weather the storm (excuse the pun). Innovation, Infrastructure, relocation, homes, transportation, recycling etc.... all these things necessary to survive. Should put a lot of people to work. Maybe build robots to do the bulk or build spacecraft to escape, idk. It could be boom times ahead as we adjust. When my descendants sail to America instead of driving across the 49th, they’re going to need boats.

[Syne]

No, the climate alarmists would destroy the economy entirely, leaving us without any engine to produce innovation, improve infrastructure, etc.. They want equality by making everywhere an equally impoverished third-world country.

[Athena]

No, the climate alarmists would destroy the economy entirely, leaving us without any engine to produce innovation, improve infrastructure, etc.. They want equality by making everywhere an equally impoverished third-world country.

This is the only thread that comes near what I want to talk about.  As for your statement, we live on a finite planet and sooner or later we have to deal with that reality.  I will be glad to discuss our infinite reality, using geology books, but that is not the subject that brought me here today.  

I have been watching explanations of humans surviving extreme climate change since the day we separated from the species we evolved from.  We are overdue for another ice age and the reversal of the South and North poles. I don't think we know exactly how that happens, but AI says climate change begins with the sun's cycles that drive atmospheric and oceanic patterns.  That is what interests me today.  We had quite a good thunderstorm this morning, and we are having more of them than usual.  The thunderstorms are setting off forest fires, and nothing would stop them if it were not for human efforts.   To me, what we are experiencing now could be the same as the event that destroyed the dinosaurs and later extremely large mammals.  Changed atmospheric and oceanic patterns resulting in fires that led to extinctions.  

AI says climate change has caused extinctions, but says it is hard to believe that it is the sole cause.  It is not hard to believe when experiencing the increase in fires. And AI assures me I am not wrong to believe our thunderstorms and fires have increased.  

I am not arguing against greenhouse gases.  I am saying that is not the only thing driving what is happening.   


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[Magical Realist]

No, the climate alarmists would destroy the economy entirely, leaving us without any engine to produce innovation, improve infrastructure, etc.. They want equality by making everywhere an equally impoverished third-world country.

"Workers riveting solar panels to roofs, keeping wind turbines spinning, and weatherizing homes across the nation are part of a job market that’s been outpacing U.S. employment growth overall. Renewable energy jobs now comprise more than 40 percent of the country’s 8.35 million people employed in the energy industry, according to the U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) annual U.S. Energy and Employment Report (USEER) published in September. Private clean energy companies, governments, and nonprofits added 250,000 jobs in the energy industry in 2023, more than half of them in renewable energy.

These green jobs that help the nation transition away from fossil fuels are key to helping the country reach net zero carbon emissions by 2050, a goal scientists say is critical to avoiding the most significant consequences of climate change.

“Last year, we experienced one of the highest growths in clean energy jobs history,” says Michael Timberlake, communications director for E2, an organization that focuses on business policies that support both our environment and the economy. “It is ranked as one of the highest single years of total job growth since we started tracking it in 2015.”----- https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-newest...gy-economy

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I think we're starting to see just how cultish environmentalism has become and how religious it's become;

On the contrary, cults usually sustain themselves by opposing the mainstream science-based narrative and by denying the facts in favor of an emotionally comforting belief. That is pretty much what climate change denialism is. The narrative they push is one of a vast conspiratorial deception going on in order to control human beings. It fits right in with all the other conspiratorial alt-right BS of the new World Order and the deep state and of the evil liberal agenda to take away individual rights. And it is these fanatics that build underground bunkers and prep for doomsday, not environmentalists. The environmentalists are the ones trying to clean up the environment and save animal species and recycle garbage and cut carbon emission, efforts that don't suggest believing in a coming apocalypse at all. Cults thrive on dogmatic denialism and on somehow knowing what the truth is despite all the evidence to the contrary. And that is exactly what climate change denialists do.

[confused2]

No, the climate alarmists would destroy the economy entirely,

Are you pretending 'environmentalists' are against the idea of generating electricity - lots of it? You might want to claim renewables can't produce enough .. is that your point? If so we could look at how much and how cheaply.