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The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers

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Syne Offline
Yep, Democrats pioneered the use of "my truth," to explicitly shut down debate on actual facts and reality. Whining about Republicans adopting that same ploy is the height of naive hypocrisy.

But the masks are off now. We all know that Democrats have zero principles other than what keeps them in power and getting their way, like fascist children. And Republicans are learning that you can't play nice with fascist liars.
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#12
Yazata Offline
(Jun 28, 2021 06:52 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Just thinking Syne....if I had to chose between Trump being screwed on an election and some loose metallic hinged door in the depths of some derelict building being a poltergeist at work, I think the more plausible story would be the voting fiasco. I mean they could both be fictional but one is more believable than the other.

I have to admit that I believe that election fraud did take place. There were many anecdotal reports of electoral irregularities. Many people aren't aware of that, because the legacy media and much of the new social media carefully deleted those reports and banned those who made them. (Trump himself was banned from twitter.)

What I don't know is whether that election fraud happened on a scale that could turn the election. But it seems to me that just the possibility that the election might have been tainted would justify a bi-partisan commission of investigation, perhaps even the appointment of a special prosecutor like Mueller. The future of American democracy might depend on it.

Things that worry me include:

How electoral laws were changed wholesale in 2020, supposedly on account of covid. How on electoral night Trump seemed to be headed for victory in various swing states. Then in subsequent days all these... additional votes... appeared from... somewhere..., overwhelmingly for Biden, putting him over the top. It's only credible to those who trust the system, and I most emphatically don't.

How here in California (and in many states I'd guess) ballots were simply mailed to every registered voter, even in counties with more registered voters than US citizens of voting age. Voters were just supposed to fill out the ballots and mail them back. But what often happens is that when people move, they just re-register at their new address but never cancel their registration at their old address. So many buildings with large transient populations like those around universities probably received all kinds of ballots addressed to people who no longer live at that particular address. And who knows whether somebody filled them out and mailed them?

Courts have forbidden local electoral authorities from pruning voters from the rolls that no longer live at the addresses given. (That's supposedly "voter suppression".) And when Arizona proposed to send out electoral inspectors to check out addresses with lots of voters registered, the Biden justice department halted it shrieking about "racism" or something.

It's also telling how the democrats are universally against voter ID laws. Again, they insist that it's "voter suppression" despite the fact that you have to have an ID to fly in a plane, cash a check or drive a car. Just about every country in the European Union has voter ID, and it seems to work well for them.

So I'd say that doubts about election integrity in 2020 are more substantial and better justified than all that "Russian" bullshit in 2016. Yet the latter powered all sorts of investigations and frantic and hysterical headlines in the press. Today they try to silence anyone who even expresses doubts.

Quote:I also think anyone who posts about door banging poltergeists shouldn’t be making fun of people who think Trump got screwed.

MR isn't particularly strong on consistency.
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Syne Offline
(Jun 29, 2021 07:49 PM)Yazata Wrote: I have to admit that I believe that election fraud did take place. There were many anecdotal reports of electoral irregularities. Many people aren't aware of that, because the legacy media and much of the new social media carefully deleted those reports and banned those who made them. (Trump himself was banned from twitter.)

What I don't know is whether that election fraud happened on a scale that could turn the election. But it seems to me that just the possibility that the election might have been tainted would justify a bi-partisan commission of investigation, perhaps even the appointment of a special prosecutor like Mueller. The future of American democracy might depend on it.
Well, several state legislatures are investigating and doing audits, again completely unreported, if not censored, by most media. We do have hundreds of sworn affidavits (under penalty of perjury) attesting to election fraud. But where Democrats want sworn affidavits in lieu of voter ID laws, they predictably and hypocritically will not take those sworn statements of fraud as legitimate.

Quote:How electoral laws were changed wholesale in 2020, supposedly on account of covid. How on electoral night Trump seemed to be headed for victory in various swing states. Then in subsequent days all these... additional votes... appeared from... somewhere..., overwhelmingly for Biden, putting him over the top. It's only credible to those who trust the system, and I most emphatically don't.
All valid concerns, meriting investigation, whether they actually happened or not. We just don't know for sure, which undermines voter confidence. Even just the fact that brain-addled Biden got more votes that the vastly more charismatic Obama raises serious questions. Aside from how states' executive branches may have violated their own election laws, seemingly by fiat.

Quote:It's also telling how the democrats are universally against voter ID laws. Again, they insist that it's "voter suppression" despite the fact that you have to have an ID to fly in a plane, cash a check or drive a car. Just about every country in the European Union has voter ID, and it seems to work well for them.
A poll found that 80 some percent of blacks agree with voter ID laws, because they know blacks are no less capable of getting ID. Assuming they are is the real racism.

Quote:So I'd say that doubts about election integrity in 2020 are more substantial and better justified than all that "Russian" bullshit in 2016. Yet the latter powered all sorts of investigations and frantic and hysterical headlines in the press. Today they try to silence anyone who even expresses doubts.
Absolutely.
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Magical Realist Online
Quote:MR isn't particularly strong on consistency.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds...Smile
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Syne Offline
(Jun 29, 2021 09:10 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:MR isn't particularly strong on consistency.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds...Smile

Consistency is the bedrock of logic, reason, and science. No wonder you can't comprehend scientific standards of evidence or the null hypothesis.
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Syne Offline
(Jun 29, 2021 09:43 PM)Yazata Wrote: Speaking of "sad. delusional fantasies", there's this little two minute TV news compilation video. All of it bullshit, but that didn't stop them and it won't in the future.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/11...7882346496

Rapid fire game of telephone. Confirmation bias feedback loop.
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