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The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers - Magical Realist - Jun 28, 2021
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kadiagoba/trump-rally-ohio-election-fantasy
WELLINGTON, Ohio — "When Rep. Jim Jordan took the stage at Donald Trump’s first post-presidential rally, he trumpeted the former president’s possible 2024 election bid. And then someone screamed, “2021!”
The fantasy that Trump could reclaim the White House later this year (some named August 2021 as the time) was a common theme among the droves of attendees at the “Save America” rally Saturday in Wellington, Ohio.
It’s not going to happen, and explanations for why it could are rooted in lies and misinformation. But some people think he never stopped being president.
“Honestly, I think he won,” Anita Lee, 45, who happened to be visiting from St. Louis, Missouri, told BuzzFeed News. “He’s our true president, and I don’t think he’s eligible in 2024.”
Most Trump supporters came in their usual form: Red hats boasting “Make America Great Again” paired with a pro-Trump T-shirt (or anti-Biden one) and some representation of the American flag. But in 2021, after the president and his allies have consistently championed unsubstantiated voter fraud, there’s a new crowd favorite: T-shirts that say “Trump Won.”
Pam Niner, 65, traveled more than an hour from Centerburg, Ohio, to her third Trump rally after one in Circleville, Ohio, last year and another in Delaware, Ohio, during the 2016 election. And while she’s eager to hear him announce a bid for 2024, she’s convinced Trump didn’t lose the last election.
“I know he won,” Niner told BuzzFeed News, her oversize “Trump Won!” shirt nearly reaching her knees. “There’s so much evidence out there it was stolen,” she said before admitting that only one thing could convince her otherwise. “Jesus Christ would have to come down and tell me that Biden won before I would ever believe it.”
Robert Clegg, 47, said “Of course” when asked if he thought Trump won the election. He hasn’t thought about Trump as a 2024 candidate. Instead, he told BuzzFeed News, “I’m hoping he gets back in there before,'' and added “with the overturning of the election.”
A May Ipsos/Reuters poll showed more than half of Republicans think the election was rigged, and 53% of Republicans think Trump is the actual president. But the statistics alone don’t show how intense those beliefs are for such a large segment of the electorate. The rallying cry “Trump won” erupted several times Saturday, and the attacks on President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris have become more visceral.
London Roche, 26, and several of his friends wore white T-shirts with black letters that read, “Biden Sucks Kamala Swallows!” on the front and “Fuck Joe & the Hoe” on the back. They said they paid $25 for the shirts, but it’s unclear if they bought them from the man who was selling the same T-shirts outside the venue.
“I just want to show support for our real president, Donald Trump,” Roche said. “We all know he won the election.”
The rally’s speakers consistently raised false allegations of widespread voter fraud from the stage, including Trump, who began raising doubt about the election results last November and has continued making unfounded claims ever since.
“We won the election twice,” Trump said to the crowd. “And it's possible we'll have to win it a third time.”
Some speakers who addressed the audience parroted the same rhetoric. Douglas Frank, a math teacher in the state, gave an exhaustive presentation of his 2020 election-results analysis involving algorithms he claims prove the election was stolen. The exhibition included graphs and charts that were projected on two big screens flanking the stage. Frank earned a pants-on-fire rating from Politifact, a fact-checking website, in April for the same analysis. The Michigan state Senate’s new report on the 2020 election specifically faulted Frank for analysis that is “not sound for several reasons.”
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene also chimed in with false claims that Democrats pilfered the election when she took the stage.
“President Trump is my president too,” Greene said. “And he should be our president right now, but the dirty, rotten Democrats stole the election.”
About 400 feet away, Catherine Mehalic, 58, stood on one of the many food truck lines and speculated on what she sees as Trump’s best way back to office. She didn't say when.
“I think the audit is gonna take all of it down,” she told BuzzFeed News, referring to one of the nonbinding audits Republicans in several states are running to try to prove something about the election. “It’s gonna expose what exactly happened. Everybody knows he won.” And then she said again, with more emphasis, “Everybody knows he won.”
Trump won 8% more total votes than Biden in Ohio and flipped Lorain County, where the event was held. A plane, paid for by Senate candidate Jane Timken, circled the fairgrounds with a sign: “Ohio Is Trump Country.”
Just one person out of nearly two dozen people BuzzFeed News interviewed at the rally said they understood Biden won the election. Barry Clodwick said he watched the polls on Election Day “to make sure nothing went wrong,” but ultimately was disappointed with what he understood to be the results.
“Unfortunately, Joe Biden won,” he said.
RE: The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers - Syne - Jun 28, 2021
So we're pretending Trump derangement syndrome, with it's delusions and lies, didn't go on for well over a solid four years? "Not my president," a Russian hoax, Democrats in congress worried about election security and defending the filibuster (and doing a complete, hypocritical 180 as soon as Trump was out), and countless other things. None of that happened, I suppose.
RE: The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers - Magical Realist - Jun 28, 2021
(Jun 28, 2021 05:27 AM)Syne Wrote: So we're pretending Trump derangement syndrome, with it's delusions and lies, didn't go on for well over a solid four years? "Not my president," a Russian hoax, Democrats in congress worried about election security and defending the filibuster (and doing a complete, hypocritical 180 as soon as Trump was out), and countless other things. None of that happened, I suppose.
"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument."----
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
RE: The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers - Zinjanthropos - Jun 28, 2021
I could say something but I won’t. But I just did. Didn’t I?
RE: The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers - Syne - Jun 28, 2021
Pointing out blatant hypocrisy does undermine any pretense of moral superiority, even if it doesn't dispute, refute, or discredit the facts.
RE: The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers - Zinjanthropos - Jun 28, 2021
Just thinking Syne....if I had to chose between Trump being screwed on an election and some loose metallic hinged door in the depths of some derelict building being a poltergeist at work, I think the more plausible story would be the voting fiasco. I mean they could both be fictional but one is more believable than the other. I also think anyone who posts about door banging poltergeists shouldn’t be making fun of people who think Trump got screwed.
RE: The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers - Syne - Jun 28, 2021
Too true, Zin. At least we know that voting shenanigans is a factual possibility, demonstrated in many other countries, even if not significant in the US. But we've yet to find any compelling evidence of ghosts, after people claiming they exist throughout all of human history. People who believe in the completely unsubstantiated trying to bash those who believe the much more probable is rich.
RE: The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers - confused2 - Jun 28, 2021
Said the Theist.
Difficult to pick a winner at this point.
RE: The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers - Syne - Jun 28, 2021
^ The huge difference is that I don't claim there's legit evidence for my beliefs. No idea why what I believe offends you so much.
RE: The sad delusional fantasies of Trumpers - Yazata - Jun 29, 2021
(Jun 28, 2021 05:27 AM)Syne Wrote: So we're pretending Trump derangement syndrome, with it's delusions and lies, didn't go on for well over a solid four years?
Right. The Democrats rewrote the book on all that, didn't they? Objectivity and the unbiased truth no longer matter. All that matters is HATRED for the opposition. The truth is anything that can bring opponents down.
They can't act like thoughtful adults now after acting like hysterical children for the last four years. We remember.
It's ironic that the OP in this thread quotes Buzzfeed. Weren't they the left-propaganda outlet that first publicized the so-called "dossier"? Talk about "delusions and lies"! Buzzfeed was up to their eyeballs in it from the beginning.
Quote:"Not my president,"
I can play that game too. I don't personally recognize Biden as "my president". I don't see him as the legitimate President of the United States. He's somebody who only occupies the office much like Putin does in Russia, after election fraud on an industrial scale.
Quote:a Russian hoax, Democrats in congress worried about election security and defending the filibuster (and doing a complete, hypocritical 180 as soon as Trump was out), and countless other things. None of that happened, I suppose.
Imagine how they will 180 again when Republicans regain the Senate and the House. Then we will be certain to hear how the filibuster is the only thing standing between the American people and one-party-rule.
Apparently one-party rule is just fine with them if it's their party.