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"No democrat has ever bribed voters with a direct cash payment to vote for democrats."
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Syne
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Someone give MR a good whack. He's stuck on repeat again. 9_9
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(3 hours ago)Magical Realist Wrote: "No democrat has ever bribed voters with a direct cash payment to vote for democrats."
Liar.
There are documented instances in U.S. history where individual Democratic politicians and political machines have been convicted of or investigated for bribing voters with direct cash payments.
While modern campaign finance allegations often focus on policy-based incentives (such as political promises or government-funded checks), literal cash-for-votes schemes have a long history in American politics across multiple parties. Notable examples involving Democrats include:
Tammany Hall and 19th/20th-Century Political Machines
During the height of political machines like New York’s Tammany Hall in the 19th and early 20th centuries, operatives frequently handed out direct cash payments, coal, food, and jobs to citizens in exchange for voting straight Democratic tickets. Because voting was not entirely private at the time, party "captains" could watch voters drop color-coded ballots into boxes to ensure they paid only for completed votes.
Michael "Ozzie" Myers (Pennsylvania)
In a modern context, former Democratic U.S. Representative Michael "Ozzie" Myers of Philadelphia pleaded guilty in 2022 to federal charges that included conspiring to violate voting rights and bribery. Myers orchestrated schemes from 2014 to 2018 where he bribed local election judges with cash to fraudulently stuff ballot boxes and inflate vote totals for specific Democratic candidates who had hired him as a consultant.
Recent Local Investigations
Direct cash-for-votes operations continue to surface at the local level. For example, in October 2025, the North Carolina State Board of Elections launched an investigation into an alleged cash-for-votes scheme in Wilmington, NC. A voter reported receiving text messages explicitly offering $100 in exchange for voting for three Democratic city council candidates.
Note: While federal law strictly prohibits offering or accepting financial utility for registering or voting (under 52 U.S.C. § 10307©), courts generally distinguish illegal "vote-buying" (paying an individual for their specific vote) from legal campaign promises (pledging nationwide dividends or economic relief bills contingent upon winning an election).
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So you're saying that since a couple of corrupt politicians in city elections have done this in the past then its ok for an acting president of the United States to do it? On what fucking basis?
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(1 hour ago)Magical Realist Wrote: So you're saying that since a couple of corrupt politicians in city elections have done this in the past then its ok for an acting president of the United States to do it? On what fucking basis?
Nope. I'm saying this is an outright lie:
(3 hours ago)Magical Realist Wrote: "No democrat has ever bribed voters with a direct cash payment to vote for democrats."
And that US law does not define campaign promises of benefits to all Americans, indiscriminately, as vote buying.
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Quote:And that US law does not define campaign promises of benefits to all Americans, indiscriminately, as vote buying.
And yet that's exactly what it is. Paying people to vote for your party no less than those examples you gave.
"Vote buying, also referred to as voter bribery,[1] electoral clientelism and patronage politics, occurs when a political party or candidate distributes money or resources to a voter in an upcoming election with the expectation that the voter votes for the actor handing out monetary rewards.[2] Vote buying can take various forms such as a monetary exchange, as well as an exchange for necessary goods or services.[3] This practice is often used to incentivise or persuade voters to turn out to elections and vote in a particular way. Although this practice is illegal in many countries such as the United States, Argentina, Mexico, Kenya, Brazil and Nigeria, its prevalence remains worldwide."
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(27 minutes ago)Magical Realist Wrote: Quote:And that US law does not define campaign promises of benefits to all Americans, indiscriminately, as vote buying.
And yet that's exactly what it is. Paying people to vote for your party no less than those examples you gave.
"Vote buying, also referred to as voter bribery,[1] electoral clientelism and patronage politics, occurs when a political party or candidate distributes money or resources to a voter in an upcoming election with the expectation that the voter votes for the actor handing out monetary rewards.[2] Vote buying can take various forms such as a monetary exchange, as well as an exchange for necessary goods or services.[3] This practice is often used to incentivise or persuade voters to turn out to elections and vote in a particular way. Although this practice is illegal in many countries such as the United States, Argentina, Mexico, Kenya, Brazil and Nigeria, its prevalence remains worldwide."
"distributes money... in an UPCOMING election" After an election is just fulfilling a campaign promise, per US law.
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