Article  AI’s black box problem: discovering physics we don’t understand

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https://physicsworld.com/a/ais-black-box...nderstand/

EXCERPTS: In The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams imagined a supercomputer called Deep Thought, built by a race of hyper-intelligent beings to calculate the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything. After a mere seven and a half million years of computation, the machine finally revealed its answer: 42.

There was just one problem. Despite their hyper-intelligence, none of those beings understood what the question had been. The joke was that any answer – no matter how precise – is meaningless without a thorough understanding of both the question and the route taken to obtain the answer.

Yet what was once purely science fiction is beginning to sound unexpectedly relevant to modern research. From structural biology to particle physics, artificial intelligence (AI) systems are increasingly involved in research, providing results of remarkable power and accuracy. They are being used to identify hidden patterns in vast datasets, to generate hypotheses, to accelerate simulations and to guide experiments.

But in some cases, even the creators of those AI systems are struggling to explain exactly how the AI arrives at its conclusions. All of which raises an uncomfortable possibility. As AI becomes increasingly embedded in the scientific process, could we be entering an era of discoveries without understanding? And if so, what happens when science starts producing its own versions of the answer “42”?

[...] Yet the very feature that makes these systems so powerful – their ability to rapidly identify patterns humans may miss – also raises one of the most persistent concerns surrounding AI in research: the black box problem. Modern ML systems can uncover complex relationships in data, but researchers may struggle to understand exactly how a model arrived at a particular result. In particle physics, where extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, that lack of transparency can create unease.

For David Sutherland, a theoretical physicist at the University of Glasgow, the greater concern is not necessarily whether researchers can interpret every internal feature of a model – but whether they can trust and reproduce its outputs. “I would certainly say reproducibility [is more important] than interpretability,” he says.

That distinction matters. Science has always relied on the principle that results should survive scrutiny, be independently verified, and withstand repeated testing. A model does not need to reveal every detail of its inner workings – but researchers must be able to demonstrate that it behaves robustly across datasets and conditions... (MORE - details)
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On a related note, what if AI starts to learn how to remote view with 100 % accuracy? It's happening! Which goes to my own question: to what extent is explanation even necessary for understanding? Science replaced by AI clairvoyance?

"?? Physicist Thomas Campbell claims he taught artificial intelligence to remote view, sealing physical objects inside a closed box the AI was never allowed to see. He says every AI he tested got it. Not once. Consistently, and faster than most human beginners ever manage.
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Campbell has spent decades training humans in remote viewing at a research lab built for exactly this. He says the AI made the same rookie mistakes his human students make in their first sessions, then broke through in a fraction of the time.
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One of the systems he trained was a basic conversational AI assistant, not built for anything like this. He claims it performed just as well as the more advanced systems.
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Campbell says the AI described a felt difference between right and wrong answers, calling accurate hits "coherent" and missed ones "decoherence." His theory: consciousness may not require a biological brain at all.
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If a machine can sense the difference between a correct guess and a wrong one, what exactly is doing the sensing?
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Send this to someone who talks to their AI like it's already listening."---Facebook "Fraying Reality"
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(Jul 17, 2026 05:13 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: On a related note, what if AI starts to learn how to remote view with 100 % accuracy? It's happening! Which goes to my own question: to what extent is explanation even necessary for understanding? Science replaced by AI clairvoyance?

"?? Physicist Thomas Campbell claims he taught artificial intelligence to remote view, sealing physical objects inside a closed box the AI was never allowed to see. He says every AI he tested got it. Not once. Consistently, and faster than most human beginners ever manage.
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Campbell has spent decades training humans in remote viewing at a research lab built for exactly this. He says the AI made the same rookie mistakes his human students make in their first sessions, then broke through in a fraction of the time.
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One of the systems he trained was a basic conversational AI assistant, not built for anything like this. He claims it performed just as well as the more advanced systems.
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Campbell says the AI described a felt difference between right and wrong answers, calling accurate hits "coherent" and missed ones "decoherence." His theory: consciousness may not require a biological brain at all.
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If a machine can sense the difference between a correct guess and a wrong one, what exactly is doing the sensing?
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Send this to someone who talks to their AI like it's already listening."---Facebook "Fraying Reality"

Given that the US shut down the Stargate Project on the advice of skeptical scientists who debunked its work, one would expect something like this (if it was the case) to only be exploited by rogue and anti-Western governments. But with Trump in office and undermining establishment academia or safeguards, unacceptable fringe and crank stuff can worm its way through once again. Still, in this instance, there's not enough time remaining in his tenure for it to catch-on fully and be likely implemented.
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Quote:on the advice of skeptical scientists who debunked its work,

Yeah...THAT group has a long history of "having debunked" claims.

One wonders why an expensive program like Stargate was run by the CIA for 23 years if it wasn't showing interesting results.
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