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Rethinking consciousness: Could everything from animals to AI be aware?
https://thedebrief.org/rethinking-consci...-be-aware/

EXCERPTS: Instead of treating consciousness as a simple yes-or-no question, Dr. Sebo analyzes several possibilities for how consciousness may be distributed across the natural and artificial world, and examines the default assumptions scientists use when evidence remains uncertain.

One possibility is that all animals are conscious. Similarly, the concept holds that all living beings are conscious, including plants and fungi. A third prospect is the idea that any organism capable of processing sensory information may possess awareness. Another approach centers on complex cognition, potentially extending consciousness to future AI systems.

The most radical possibility is panpsychism, the philosophical idea that consciousness is a fundamental property of matter itself. However, Dr. Sebo cautions that even if simple forms of consciousness existed at the level of matter, further theory would be needed to explain how, or whether, complex conscious experience emerges in larger systems.

Dr. Sebo does not argue that a single default assumption about consciousness is always best. Instead, he argues that scientists and ethicists may need different assumptions for different purposes, depending on the evidence, the research question, and the ethical risks involved.

“We should select different default assumptions about the distribution of consciousness for different purposes and in different contexts, both within and beyond the animal kingdom,” Dr. Sebo writes. “Overall, the aim is to balance theoretical rigor with practical progress, recognizing that assumptions work differently when taken as truth claims and when taken as mere tools.”

One of the central challenges to understanding consciousness is that it remains notoriously difficult to study.

Scientists can observe behavior, brain activity, and information processing, but subjective experience itself cannot be directly accessed from the outside. In philosophy, this is known as the “problem of other minds.” Humans cannot directly verify another being’s inner experience in the same way they can access their own.

“We can directly observe behaviors and anatomies, but not thoughts and feelings,” Dr. Sebo writes. “These epistemic barriers limit our ability to draw firm conclusions about which beings are conscious.”

The inherent inability to observe subjective awareness has led researchers to develop new approaches, including the search for so-called “markers” of consciousness in animals and even in AI systems. By comparing humans and nonhumans, scientists hope to identify similarities that indicate the presence of subjective experiences in animals and in technology.

However, these techniques may have significant limitations... (MORE - missing details)
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It's always been absurd to deny both phenomenal consciousness and degrees of the capacity to identify and understand to anything with a brain. But the latter (cognition) is an attribute of intelligence, which is dependent upon a memory system (which non-living and non-artificial matter in general lacks.)
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Science for the most part does not hold a monopoly on truth. But it does offer much in the way of understanding nature. I for one think that we will arrive at a theory of everything in the next 10 years that includes consciousness.
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Why does the zebra run from the lions? It’s aware that it won’t be aware much longer if it doesn’t.
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Syne Offline
Instinct and awareness are two different things.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
They don’t always run. Some stand and fight. So is it a conscious decision, fight or flight?
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Even humans tend to default to one, when faced with a danger that triggers the fight or flight instinct. In most cases, I doubt even humans have much conscious input on the response. That's what instinct is all about.
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(May 20, 2026 02:13 AM)Syne Wrote: Even humans tend to default to one, when faced with a danger that triggers the fight or flight instinct. In most cases, I doubt even humans have much conscious input on the response. That's what instinct is all about.

The lions otoh instinctively set traps? No decision making? They do have different traps. I used to watch my cat when I opened the door for him, he could sit there for several seconds before deciding(?) in or out. What’s he really doing if not making a conscious decision?
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A conscious decision require deliberation. It's like Buridan's Ass, where a perfecting hungry and thirsty donkey, equal distance from food and water, dies of indecision. This wouldn't actually happen to an animal, because there is no deliberation. There's just the action potential between two impulses, where there's really no chance of the collective potentials across the entire neural pathway of each impulse being completely equal.

Humans face analysis paralysis because we are able to project outcomes into the future, and the unknowns do not make a decision clear. Animals are not aware of future uncertainty.

You're cat is likely fine with the status quo until the action potential of "go outside" rises to overcome it. Door is open... comfortable inside... what's that smell?.... is that from outside?... Immediate stimuli slowly overcomes inertia.


The alternative is that your cat is deliberating and just wants to hack you off.
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From the OP..
Quote:“We can directly observe behaviors and anatomies, but not thoughts and feelings,” Dr. Sebo writes
So we can't tell whether (for example) .. a cat is frightened or not. Or is it just Dr. Sebo that can't tell .. because he's a psychopath?
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(May 20, 2026 04:12 AM)Syne Wrote: A conscious decision require deliberation. It's like Buridan's Ass, where a perfecting hungry and thirsty donkey, equal distance from food and water, dies of indecision. This wouldn't actually happen to an animal, because there is no deliberation. There's just the action potential between two impulses, where there's really no chance of the collective potentials across the entire neural pathway of each impulse being completely equal.

Humans face analysis paralysis because we are able to project outcomes into the future, and the unknowns do not make a decision clear. Animals are not aware of future uncertainty.

You're cat is likely fine with the status quo until the action potential of "go outside" rises to overcome it. Door is open... comfortable inside... what's that smell?.... is that from outside?... Immediate stimuli slowly overcomes inertia.


The alternative is that your cat is deliberating and just wants to hack you off.

I’d like an experiment to see if donkey selects either water or hay. I’m guessing the choice is hay even though the donkey has an exceptional sense of smell and scent of water no problem . My reasoning is that even dry hay contains a small amount of water therefore donkey gets best of both worlds. Would that be instinctive behavior?

Vary it by placing the hay the same distance away from a crocodile infested lagoon with extremely nervous and jittery gazelles drinking from it. Big Grin
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