Death Beckons

Do you ever think about what death will be like?

Often! I’ve thought about death a lot.  I’m not religious. I don’t believe there’s something specific, but I think it’s about where you personally find peace.  You can make yourself anxious and frightened, but it’s just as easy to imagine something that brings you peace.

But when the time came…

I said calmly, "I cannot do it because the previous two weeks were relatively bearable." They were free from crisis.  I don’t know why.  Was it because the serenity of death was so close, and that felt okay, or had something changed in me?

I’ve tried not to think about the truth because the truth is that I’d still rather not be here.

So, I’m holding my breath for the future.

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/SWWkUzkfJ4M

The greatest lie ever told: R.I.P.

There is no peace in death.

Why on earth should others take on the moral burden for killing a person just because they've failed every halfhearted attempt at suicide they've tried? Failed suicide attempts are evidence that, as in this case, the person ultimately doesn't want to die...regardless their daily mental suffering. Without such euthanasia laws, she wouldn't have even been able to contemplate an easier way than doing it herself, and may have come to her conclusion sooner.

(Dec 1, 2016 08:30 PM)Syne Wrote: Why on earth should others take on the moral burden for killing a person just because they've failed every halfhearted attempt at suicide they've tried? Failed suicide attempts are evidence that, as in this case, the person ultimately doesn't want to die...regardless their daily mental suffering. Without such euthanasia laws, she wouldn't have even been able to contemplate an easier way than doing it herself, and may have come to her conclusion sooner.

Do you agree with my conclusion?

There is no peace in death.

(Dec 1, 2016 09:37 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Do you agree with my conclusion?

There is no peace in death.

There's no argument/evidence to determine the value of that conclusion, either way. But I personally think you're right. Either there is no afterlife, where any experience, including that of peace, is nonexistent, or there is an afterlife, which I believe requires challenge to be worthwhile.

You can take some comfort knowing that even from the grave you'll pay taxes up and until your estate is settled, subject to audit of course.

No matter how bad things get, there is always someone else out there that has been through worse and still continues to try and survive no matter how futile it might seem. So there's a certain amount of perspective to be had if people are only willing to think about more than just themselves, therefore suicide can actually be quite selfish.

(Dec 1, 2016 11:41 PM)stryder Wrote: No matter how bad things get, there is always someone else out there that has been through worse and still continues to try and survive no matter how futile it might seem.  So there's a certain amount of perspective to be had if people are only willing to think about more than just themselves, therefore suicide can actually be quite selfish.

Absolutely. I think the highest suicide rate was among WWII Jews in Germany. If you're not facing that severe and immediate suffering, you could probably use some perspective. Your psychiatrist promoting euthanasia doesn't help.

mental health science.
im not going to watch the entire video. ive only watched the first few minutes.
it clearly shows she has a pychiatric condition.
she has scars on her arms from cutting.
this is clearly a very mentally unlwell person.

there is a part of the brain that is associated with just about everything we do.
obviousely she clearly discribes this sense of mental state which i have expereinced through drugs and many of lifes troubles on occasion.


i am not going to get into my personal expereinces or the expereinces of others i have been around and helped get out of serious addictions and suicidal thinking patterns.

suffice to say that a psychiatric condition is not a valid reason for euthenasia.

why do i say this ?
because pretty much everyone at some point in their life has thought about suicide and given the ability to just switch their life off at the flick of a switch without pain or other general issues, we as a species would probably still be predominantly a barbarian culture.

i am assuming i am speaking with intellectuals so shall briefly elude to "a beautiful mind" vincent van gogh
even someone who has publicly talked about her depression the creator Harry Potter.

part of the very essence of life is finding something to live for as a form of creating meaning in your life.
school and society do a fairly crap job of teaching that.

and there in lies the issue.
what is not driven by society is unlikely to be delivered wholistically by the heath system or its profesionals.
need an example ?
look at sugar(and obesity) and the number of deaths by heart attack and related illness.

i will leave it there for now.
feel free to engage me in questions etc

The whole Belgian euthanasia process seems rather peculiar. I watched wondering about the mental health of her professionals. Who checks them out? In the end I think Emily wondered the same thing. Somewhere in there she said she couldn't do it herself, seemed happy someone else was going to kill her but deep down for her it was no different than having her own finger on the trigger. She realized that the health professionals were the instruments of death, to be used by her if she wished. 

Anyways if she keeps smoking knowing full well it could kill her in the end then she gets her wish. Why isn't knowingly ingesting toxins that could eventually kill you considered suicidal behavior?

(Dec 2, 2016 05:05 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Anyways if she keeps smoking knowing full well it could kill her in the end then she gets her wish. Why isn't knowingly ingesting toxins that could eventually kill you considered suicidal behavior?

I guess there's a bit of difference between self-destructive and suicidal. I do use smoking and other self-destructive habits to assess people in my personal life though, knowing that there's a very thin line between being self-destructive and just being destructive.