Close encounter of the 5th kind in Monterrey Mexico

(Nov 3, 2016 04:48 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 3, 2016 04:25 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Nov 3, 2016 03:42 AM)Syne Wrote: Now you can only sadly continue this strawman that I've made any factual claim...and no doubt you will. But remember, insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

I never agreed that schizophrenia accounts for anything. I haven't claimed anything at all.
And you still haven't provided proof the two witnesses involved were schizophrenic. Are you now saying they weren't schizophrenic? Make up your mind Syne while I sit here with popcorn and watch the show. lol!

Thank you for immediately repeating the exact strawman I JUST said you would. So predictable. Can you quote where I made this claim you're imagining (or are you suffering from delusion/false memories)? If you can't (and we all know you can't) then you'll either just have to keep repeating it without evidence or revert to denying schizophrenia symptoms again. Take your pick. Neither lends you any credibility.

Honestly, you act as if you know these people personally. Do you?

Still claiming they are schizophrenic then? Support your claim with evidence. Medical records? Biographical details? Something more than just your own sickening slander against these people. I'm still waiting..

"Finally after 557 gornts we have arrived" Group leader Xorx gave the news to his valiant crew. "Until now the mission has been top secret and as your leader it is my privilege to reveal it" The crew waited in anticipation.

"We have traveled these many light years, not to destroy, not to enslave, not to share our remarkably superior intelligence but, and listen closely"

For everyone on board, this was the moment. The culmination of a technological age equal to 100 of Earth's centuries.

Xorx, his telepathic penis trembling explained, " We are going to find some mentally disturbed humans, lure them out into the middle of nowhere, and put on this fantastic light show for them plus we get to do it wearing our tiny little square shouldered suits". "Are you guys ready"?

"YAYYYYYY!!!", and the crew went crazy. 

"You know what Glork?" Xorx , now talking freely to his one and only confidante, " They have no idea we really want to wrap our wispy tentacles around the ankles of a female human. I can't stop thinking about it. We get to orgasm buddy." 

"No cameras" 

"Right on brother"

And the rest is history.

(Nov 3, 2016 05:28 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Nov 3, 2016 04:48 AM)Syne Wrote: Thank you for immediately repeating the exact strawman I JUST said you would. So predictable. Can you quote where I made this claim you're imagining (or are you suffering from delusion/false memories)? If you can't (and we all know you can't) then you'll either just have to keep repeating it without evidence or revert to denying schizophrenia symptoms again. Take your pick. Neither lends you any credibility.

Honestly, you act as if you know these people personally. Do you?

Still claiming they are schizophrenic then? Support your claim with evidence. Medical records? Biographical details? Something more than just your own sickening slander against these people. I'm still waiting..

Wow. Even when I predict EXACTLY what you'll do next, you're so pathological that you go and do it anyway. You've backed yourself into a corner you can't extricate yourself from without at least admitting your own irrational bias, which isn't likely. So you'll just continue to rage about the same tried strawman...expecting different results. I JUST said I made no such claim, and you completely FAILED to show that I did. So we are only left to assume you suffer from delusion/false memories of your own. Is it any wonder you identify with these people so strenuously? No, not at all.

Poor MR.

(Nov 3, 2016 06:02 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 3, 2016 05:28 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Nov 3, 2016 04:48 AM)Syne Wrote: Thank you for immediately repeating the exact strawman I JUST said you would. So predictable. Can you quote where I made this claim you're imagining (or are you suffering from delusion/false memories)? If you can't (and we all know you can't) then you'll either just have to keep repeating it without evidence or revert to denying schizophrenia symptoms again. Take your pick. Neither lends you any credibility.

Honestly, you act as if you know these people personally. Do you?

Still claiming they are schizophrenic then? Support your claim with evidence. Medical records? Biographical details? Something more than just your own sickening slander against these people. I'm still waiting..

Wow. Even when I predict EXACTLY what you'll do next, you're so pathological that you go and do it anyway. You've backed yourself into a corner you can't extricate yourself from without at least admitting your own irrational bias, which isn't likely. So you'll just continue to rage about the same tried strawman...expecting different results. I JUST said I made no such claim, and you completely FAILED to show that I did. So we are only left to assume you suffer from delusion/false memories of your own. Is it any wonder you identify with these people so strenuously? No, not at all.

Poor MR.

LOL! So the thing you've been arguing for the past 2 pages, that these people are schizophrenic, is not something you ever claimed to begin with? Seriously? Even though you actually said this:

"We do have ample evidence for the symptoms of schizophrenia, and barring any countering evidence, these fit the claims made in that article."

So now you're retracting your whole claim. I guess that means I win hands down. That was easy as pie! It's been fun watching you flop and twitch. But it's starting to bore me now. Ta ta!

(Nov 3, 2016 06:13 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(Nov 3, 2016 06:02 AM)Syne Wrote: Wow. Even when I predict EXACTLY what you'll do next, you're so pathological that you go and do it anyway. You've backed yourself into a corner you can't extricate yourself from without at least admitting your own irrational bias, which isn't likely. So you'll just continue to rage about the same tried strawman...expecting different results. I JUST said I made no such claim, and you completely FAILED to show that I did. So we are only left to assume you suffer from delusion/false memories of your own. Is it any wonder you identify with these people so strenuously? No, not at all.

Poor MR.

LOL! So the thing you've been arguing for the past 2 pages, that these people are schizophrenic, is not something you ever claimed to begin with? Seriously? Even though you actually said this:

"We do have ample evidence for the symptoms of schizophrenia, and barring any countering evidence, these fit the claims made in that article."

 So now you're retracting your whole claim. I guess that means I win hands down. That was easy as pie! It's been fun watching you flop and twitch. But it's starting to bore me now. Ta ta!

Same old strawman and same old inability to understand basic English (you do know what a qualifying clause is, right?) So if you are really that desperate for some self-esteem affirming victory, even if only imagined, fine. You win. It MUST have been telepathic aliens. No other possible explanation could even remotely fit that fact pattern. I don't know what I was thinking. There's no possible way that anything well-known to the scientific community could ever explain events reported by one person without any corroborating evidence. Actually, now that you mention it, here's another story that includes telepathy. http://highexistence.com/mind-blowing-st...ng-to-god/ This must be just as credible...after all, the guy's an atheist with no reason to make up such a story.

Right?

What, did that shut you up? Did my sarcasm expose the inconvenient cognitive dissonance between believing in alien/ghost encounters and dismissing spiritual encounters, when both offer the same anecdotal accounts and lack of evidence? If not, please explain how accounts of seeing god in real life differ from those of seeing aliens or ghosts.

The current medical rationality in regards to Schizophrenia is completely wrong, there is still a lot of "pigeon-holing"(Stereotyping) and ignorance in regards to medical professionals, in fact some of those medical professionals(?) can actually be queried as to how professional they actually are, especially if their initial qualifications have come from abroad. (There is quite a lucrative black market in false documentation especially in the medical profession since it can be a high paying job, with the privilege of status. Doctors are trusted because of their profession, not because of what empirical evidence has to offer.)

In the cases of people hearing aliens, I wouldn't agree that what they heard was alien. While in truth there is always the chance that a person is a sensationalist and makes up a story just to gain attention, there is also the off-chance that a far darker act is being committed on them by people that have both the technology and skill to pull it off, and rather than turning up on their doorstep with a non-disclosure agreement or try to get them to abide by a countries security acts, they would rather fill a persons mind with nonsense to reduce the chances of discovery. (Since discovery would identify a number of international sanction violations by the company, organisation or country participating in such activities and result in a number of legal disputes, law changes and of course jail sentences.)

If the concern was to be treated scientifically, then a double-blind experiment would be conducted on those that assume they can hear voices in their head (from an external influence) this would require placing them into a potentially Faraday-caged environment for a duration, with the potential use of RF scramblers and EEG readouts of their brain functions. It can be guaranteed that a result would show in some instances that external influence causes higher brain functions, otherwise a person is going to be completely dependent upon their own cellular energy reserves to manifest a delusion. (which means over a duration of time they will be drained of energy)

The problem is however that nobody wants to fund such experiments because they don't want to prove any external interference due to the "can of worms" that it causes, for instance:

• Did that terrorist decide to be a suicide bomber, or someone external?
  
• Did a vote for a political leader to make a decision, or some shady character in a backroom pulling their strings?
  
• Did a kid on a kill spree in their local school do it because he thought he heard the voice of satan tell him to do it, or was their a clandestine operative running an operation to see just how far people can be pushed and manipulated?
  

There is also the point about "Big Pharma" in the sense that the production of practically placebo pills can make a company/country a lot of money from very little input costs for ingredients.

So not aliens but remote mind-control? Now if you're just talking about hypnosis, operant conditioning, blackmail, or bribery, those are probably reasonable alternatives, but it seems you might be making a more spectacular claim than those.

(Nov 7, 2016 10:48 PM)Syne Wrote: So not aliens but remote mind-control? Now if you're just talking about hypnosis, operant conditioning, blackmail, or bribery, those are probably reasonable alternatives, but it seems you might be making a more spectacular claim than those.

It's speculation on escalation. I could of said that a few geeks on a college campus could use it to undermine bullies by spooking them with a ghost or peek in a Girls Dressing room. Those points while troubling are low on the scale of things, however it's the start to a path of escalation, where one thing starts where and how far will it get before it actually stops?

A simple college prank today is potentially the smoking shadowy figure of undisclosed backroom at a later date brandishing daggers.

Fear mongery, conspiracy, perhaps but what makes both of those considered is just how much truth is tangled in the potential.

I'm still unclear on what you're talking about, I'm afraid. Could you be more specific? I don't see how spooking someone relates to peeking in a dressing room.