Quote:“The purpose of life is finding the largest burden that you can bear and bearing it.” ― Jordan B. Peterson
That sounds weirdly puritanical if not masochistic to me.
Wow, that makes me feel really sad for you. That you think living to your fullest potential is "puritanical or masochistic".
Spare me your fake pity incel..Anyone who is into bearing the heaviest burden they can find is seriously screwed up.
And there's the unprovoked name-calling again.
People looking to get into peak physical shape bear the "heaviest burden they can find" all the time. Are fitness enthusiasts "seriously screwed up"? O_o
Or are you just a lazy piece of shit who likes to crap all over anyone seeking to push/find their own limits?
LOL! Syne is a spiritual body builder everyone, flexing and posing in front of mirrors admiring his own flawless character and mental prowess whether anyone else notices it or not. No pain no gain eh Syne? No wonder you are such a pissed off and lonely loser who hates everyone around you.
SyneSep 5, 2019 02:40 AM (This post was last modified: Sep 5, 2019 02:41 AM by Syne.)
(Sep 5, 2019 02:36 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: LOL! Syne is a spiritual body builder everyone, flexing and posing in front of mirrors admiring his own flawless character and mental prowess whether anyone else notices it or not. No pain no gain eh Syne? No wonder you are such a pissed off and lonely loser who hates everyone around you.
Well, that answers my question.
You are just a lazy piece of shit who likes to crap all over anyone seeking to push/find their own limits.
And you're projecting about wanting others to notice you.
(Sep 4, 2019 11:31 PM)Syne Wrote: Where exactly are you seeing fearmongering in any of that? Mysteries aren't inherently threatening, and many men would love to stay home.
We're not monogamous and financial risks come with serial monogamy.
He’s a fearmonger. That’s how he gets attention. He says in that video that I posted right below my statement that, "We don’t have much respect for tradition in the west and it’s a really-really big problem because the ethical responsibility of a human being is to take the dead culture, the dead father, or the dead God and to revivify it with attention and communication and if you fail to do that then everything disappears. We’re failing to do that and we’re leaving it all behind instead. It’s not a good idea. If the old gods die like Nietzsche said they had, new gods swoop in very rapidly and if you think the old god was bad, you wait until the new gods get ahold of you. We saw what happened in the 20th century with all the ideologies in the absence of classical religion. Yeah, well, get a load of the Nazis and then see what you think or the communists for that matter. It’s like from bad to worse in an unimaginable way.
…and then you fall prey to weird mental diseases like nihilism, that’s one and another one is ideological possession. So, you become a totalitarian."
Nietzsche is exposing the Christian religion as nihilistic but he’s also more interested in exposing a more covert nihilism in their morality. For Christians, this world is bad and pitiable because of the original sin and can only be redeemed by Christ and an after-life. The only good lies in denying this world for a fictitious world. Christianity is nihilistic!
Incels love him, why? Well, he makes excuses for them, that's for sure.
Joe Rogan: When all of these incels (involuntary celibates) stuff went down you said that one of the cures for this is enforced monogamy—enforced by culture that it is a good value.
Excerpt…
Yeah, because polygamous societies tend to become ultra-violent and that’s been known in the anthropological literature for a hundred years and certainly leftist anthropologists were among those who discovered it. She knew. The journalist knew perfectly well what I meant by enforced monogamy. One of the things that I’ve said continually and this is on record in multiple places. It’s like okay so you’re a young man and all the women are rejecting you, who’s got the problem? It’s not all the women. If all the women are rejecting you, it’s you.
Joe: We both agree on this but why is enforced monogamy the solution for incels?
Well, it’s the solution for them—it’s the solution to the relationship between men and women. Fundamentally monogamy is the social norm.
Joe: If these men are unattractive. I mean if women aren’t seeking them as mates, they need to become men.
Yes, but they need to do that where monogamy is the social norm.
Joe: Isn’t it the social norm anyway?
Well, that was partly my point but to the degree that we deviate from that we tilt to a more violent society. I was making a very minor point.
Joe: I don’t think they’re related quite honestly. I don’t think that involuntary celibates—I don’t think that having enforced monogamy as a part of our cultural norm is going to help those people. How’s it going to help them.
Well, because what happens is if a polygamous society develops which is the alternative then a small minority of men get all of the women. That’s what happens. That’s the only point that I was making.
Joe: But I still don’t think that’s why these men are involuntary celibates and I don’t think that’s the solution. I think the solution is that they need to become attractive to women.
Yes, that is the solution. There’s no doubt about that.
Joe: I don’t think the two are related.
Well, the only…I was making a minor point. The minor point was that was that one of the ways that societies around the world have figured that you keep young male aggression under control is by enforcing monogamous standards because it gives everyone a chance in some sense. That’s the only point that I was making.
Joe: Giving everyone a chance meaning that it clears more…more women will be available for one-on-one relationships.
Yes, you see this happening in universities where women outnumber men. So, the men hypothetically have more sexual opportunity but that isn’t what happens. What happens is that a small minority of men have all of the sexual opportunity and a fairly large majority of men don’t. The women are unhappy because they can’t find a committed relationship. It’s bad for most of the men and the men who have all the sexual opportunity get cynical.
Joe: But isn’t this in some ways against your whole idea of equality of outcome because you’re talking about equality of sexual outcome? Now, if these men…if you have a guy like a dominate basketball player that just kicks everyone’s ass. This is a guy who’s succeeded at the highest level, right? Well, there’s going to people like that sexually. There’s going to be people that are better at finding mates and that this is what they enjoy. They enjoy having many mates. If it’s a man who doesn’t want a family and enjoys dating multiple women. Why is that bad?
Well, I think the fundamental reason that it’s bad is because it is bad in the long run for children.
Joe: It’s bad for children if he chooses to have children.
Yes, but that’s it. That’s the fundamental issue as far as I’m concerned. Look to give the journalist credit. That is the point that she was making. You know, apart from pillory me and caricature my perspective, that was the point that she was making. Well, first of all, I’m not in favor of unbridled hierarchies. I’ve already said that the proclivity is that all the spoils go to the person at the top and that can destabilize the whole structure. So, we have to have a dialogue about how to rectify that.
Joe: But how could you possibly rectify that if one man…say we got one man that’s six foot five, beautiful man who’s got a perfect body and he’s brilliant and he just wants to date a bunch of women. And all the rest of the people are five foot one, fat, and lazy. If this guy is the competition, he’s going to win. There’s no way around it and even if you decide to have enforced monogamy where it becomes a popular thing, the women are going to be more drawn to him, if chooses to date them, they might decide that they would rather have him sometimes than never at all.
Well, that’s actually what does happen.
Joe: What is wrong with that?
Well, what’s wrong with it is that it destabilizes society and it’s bad for children.
Joe: Right, but you said that but what if they don’t want to have children? There’s a lot of people that don’t want to have children. There’s a lot of people that choose to go their entire life without having children. There’s men in their 30’s…some of my friends have had vasectomies. They don’t want children. So, why would that help in anyway these involuntary celibates?
Well, I think that you tilt the society so that it serves the interests of…well, that’s a good question.
Joe: But do you see my point?
I do see your point. There’s no doubt about it.
Joe: You’re almost forcing an equality of outcome.
I know and that was her point, too, but it doesn’t run contrary to my opinions that the issue of outcome has to be addressed. I already said that there needs to be a reason for the left and the right and then the problem with hierarchies is that they can get too steep and destabilize everything. That does happen and particularly in the sexual domain and there’s plenty of anthropological evidence for that.
He goes on and on with even more stupid shit. He’s definitely an alarmist and the only reason he’s a popular self-help guru is because he puts his BS in a story form and introduces a common enemy. This unites people. He makes controversial statements, gets everyone’s attention, backpedals, claims that he’s being misconstrued and attacked. He’s a stupid gish galloper.
Boy, he sure makes a lot of money just off the basics, doesn’t he?
Maybe you should send C2 some cash, eh?
(Aug 7, 2017 11:27 PM)confused2 Wrote: Rule 1
You have to clean up your own shit.
(Jun 23, 2019 01:10 AM)confused2 Wrote: Indications that a room need cleaning.
1/ You see unpleasant creatures hiding when you enter the room.
2/ You see unpleasant creatures when you are in the room.
3/ Being in the room for any length of time causes itching, vomiting, diarrhea or other unpleasant symptoms that can (statistically) be traced back to the room that might need cleaning.
4/ Odour in room tends to cause nausea,
5/ Other people point out odour in room tends to cause nausea.
6/ Some agent (usually animal, insect or fungus) is found to be devouring the contents of the room.
If room passes tests 1 to 6 then room does not need to be cleaned.
I'd like to claim my posts are being taken out of context. If the current context is indeed "When a room needs to be cleaned" then I stand by my original post.
(Sep 4, 2019 11:31 PM)Syne Wrote: Where exactly are you seeing fearmongering in any of that? Mysteries aren't inherently threatening, and many men would love to stay home.
Quote: ...and financial risks come with serial monogamy.
Only if it leads to children or marriages without prenups.
Quote:He’s a fearmonger. That’s how he gets attention. He says in that video that I posted right below my statement that, "We don’t have much respect for tradition in the west and it’s a really-really big problem because the ethical responsibility of a human being is to take the dead culture, the dead father, or the dead God and to revivify it with attention and communication and if you fail to do that then everything disappears. We’re failing to do that and we’re leaving it all behind instead. It’s not a good idea. If the old gods die like Nietzsche said they had, new gods swoop in very rapidly and if you think the old god was bad, you wait until the new gods get ahold of you. We saw what happened in the 20th century with all the ideologies in the absence of classical religion. Yeah, well, get a load of the Nazis and then see what you think or the communists for that matter. It’s like from bad to worse in an unimaginable way.
…and then you fall prey to weird mental diseases like nihilism, that’s one and another one is ideological possession. So, you become a totalitarian."
So you disagree with the historically proven dangers of state socialism (Nazism, National Socialist German Workers' Party) and communism? So they didn't lead to the murders of millions of people, and he's just "fearmongering"? Are you a Holocaust denier too? O_o
You probably don't see any authoritarianism in Antifa violence either, do you?
Quote:Nietzsche is exposing the Christian religion as nihilistic but he’s also more interested in exposing a more covert nihilism in their morality. For Christians, this world is bad and pitiable because of the original sin and can only be redeemed by Christ and an after-life. The only good lies in denying this world for a fictitious world. Christianity is nihilistic!
Unless you want to cite something, that just sounds like your own bias run amok.
Quote:Incels love him, why? Well, he makes excuses for them, that's for sure.
Joe Rogan: When all of these incels (involuntary celibates) stuff went down you said that one of the cures for this is enforced monogamy—enforced by culture that it is a good value.
Excerpt…
Yeah, because polygamous societies tend to become ultra-violent and that’s been known in the anthropological literature for a hundred years and certainly leftist anthropologists were among those who discovered it. She knew. The journalist knew perfectly well what I meant by enforced monogamy. One of the things that I’ve said continually and this is on record in multiple places. It’s like okay so you’re a young man and all the women are rejecting you, who’s got the problem? It’s not all the women. If all the women are rejecting you, it’s you.
Joe: We both agree on this but why is enforced monogamy the solution for incels?
Well, it’s the solution for them—it’s the solution to the relationship between men and women. Fundamentally monogamy is the social norm.
Joe: If these men are unattractive. I mean if women aren’t seeking them as mates, they need to become men.
Yes, but they need to do that where monogamy is the social norm.
Joe: Isn’t it the social norm anyway?
Well, that was partly my point but to the degree that we deviate from that we tilt to a more violent society. I was making a very minor point.
Joe: I don’t think they’re related quite honestly. I don’t think that involuntary celibates—I don’t think that having enforced monogamy as a part of our cultural norm is going to help those people. How’s it going to help them.
Well, because what happens is if a polygamous society develops which is the alternative then a small minority of men get all of the women. That’s what happens. That’s the only point that I was making.
Joe: But I still don’t think that’s why these men are involuntary celibates and I don’t think that’s the solution. I think the solution is that they need to become attractive to women.
Yes, that is the solution. There’s no doubt about that.
Joe: I don’t think the two are related.
Well, the only…I was making a minor point. The minor point was that was that one of the ways that societies around the world have figured that you keep young male aggression under control is by enforcing monogamous standards because it gives everyone a chance in some sense. That’s the only point that I was making.
Joe: Giving everyone a chance meaning that it clears more…more women will be available for one-on-one relationships.
Yes, you see this happening in universities where women outnumber men. So, the men hypothetically have more sexual opportunity but that isn’t what happens. What happens is that a small minority of men have all of the sexual opportunity and a fairly large majority of men don’t. The women are unhappy because they can’t find a committed relationship. It’s bad for most of the men and the men who have all the sexual opportunity get cynical.
Joe: But isn’t this in some ways against your whole idea of equality of outcome because you’re talking about equality of sexual outcome? Now, if these men…if you have a guy like a dominate basketball player that just kicks everyone’s ass. This is a guy who’s succeeded at the highest level, right? Well, there’s going to people like that sexually. There’s going to be people that are better at finding mates and that this is what they enjoy. They enjoy having many mates. If it’s a man who doesn’t want a family and enjoys dating multiple women. Why is that bad?
Well, I think the fundamental reason that it’s bad is because it is bad in the long run for children.
Joe: It’s bad for children if he chooses to have children.
Yes, but that’s it. That’s the fundamental issue as far as I’m concerned. Look to give the journalist credit. That is the point that she was making. You know, apart from pillory me and caricature my perspective, that was the point that she was making. Well, first of all, I’m not in favor of unbridled hierarchies. I’ve already said that the proclivity is that all the spoils go to the person at the top and that can destabilize the whole structure. So, we have to have a dialogue about how to rectify that.
Joe: But how could you possibly rectify that if one man…say we got one man that’s six foot five, beautiful man who’s got a perfect body and he’s brilliant and he just wants to date a bunch of women. And all the rest of the people are five foot one, fat, and lazy. If this guy is the competition, he’s going to win. There’s no way around it and even if you decide to have enforced monogamy where it becomes a popular thing, the women are going to be more drawn to him, if chooses to date them, they might decide that they would rather have him sometimes than never at all.
Well, that’s actually what does happen.
Joe: What is wrong with that?
Well, what’s wrong with it is that it destabilizes society and it’s bad for children.
Joe: Right, but you said that but what if they don’t want to have children? There’s a lot of people that don’t want to have children. There’s a lot of people that choose to go their entire life without having children. There’s men in their 30’s…some of my friends have had vasectomies. They don’t want children. So, why would that help in anyway these involuntary celibates?
Well, I think that you tilt the society so that it serves the interests of…well, that’s a good question.
Joe: But do you see my point?
I do see your point. There’s no doubt about it.
Joe: You’re almost forcing an equality of outcome.
I know and that was her point, too, but it doesn’t run contrary to my opinions that the issue of outcome has to be addressed. I already said that there needs to be a reason for the left and the right and then the problem with hierarchies is that they can get too steep and destabilize everything. That does happen and particularly in the sexual domain and there’s plenty of anthropological evidence for that.
I didn't see him make excuses for them anywhere in there. Your fertile and biased imagination once again putting words in his mouth. Did we have incels when monogamy was a culturally enforced norm? No. Did he make any excuses for their rape and murder fantasies? No. Did he give a reason why they exist? Yes. There must be a reason. So if you disagree, why do you think incels are suddenly a thing? Does it have anything to do with cultural changes? Does it have anything to do with young men not learning how to be men? O_o
Quote:He goes on and on with even more stupid shit. He’s definitely an alarmist and the only reason he’s a popular self-help guru is because he puts his BS in a story form and introduces a common enemy. This unites people. He makes controversial statements, gets everyone’s attention, backpedals, claims that he’s being misconstrued and attacked. He’s a stupid gish galloper.
Any specific examples for any of these claims, or just what you imagine again?
Sep 5, 2019 12:14 AM
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