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What should replace religion in a post-religious society? ("atheism & the city" blog)

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C C Offline
http://www.atheismandthecity.com/2018/02...-post.html

EXCERPT: I just wrote a few blog posts last week about how traditional religious belief is rapidly declining in the US [...] and how in its absence "social justice" increasingly has become the new "religion" of the Left, adopting along with it many of the negative attributes one typically associates with traditional religion: dogma, tribalism, group-think, purity. [i.e., parareligion]

I am certainly not alone in noticing this [...] fresh faced new internet superstars [...are...] riding the growing wave of criticism of the Left's extreme PC culture and identity politics. It's quickly becoming "cool" to riff on the Left's insanity — as well as a good way to make money. [...]

I'm mostly on the Left politically (even though I'm increasingly weary of labels), but I do have to say, many of these popular critics of the modern day Left do have a point. Their criticism isn't completely unfounded. In the larger picture, it was never just religion simpliciter that was the problem, it was always the kind of thinking endemic in religion that was the main problem: the dogmatic, tribalistic thinking that puts feelings-before-facts. Religion is just a product of that kind of thinking; it's not the cause.

Here is where I will predictably tell you that we need to replace religion with critical thinking, secular humanism, and skepticism. But I'm not sure anymore that this is even possible. [...] That's not to say we shouldn't encourage these three things as paramount, it's just to say that achieving them as a replacement for religion may not be feasible because human nature is antithetical to them. [...]

Secular humanism only commits one to a few ideas: (1) we can be ethical and moral without god; (2) reject religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience, and superstition. The problem is that many atheist secular humanists only reject religious dogma. On non-religious topics, some atheists embrace dogma and tribalistic thinking all the way, whether they're aware of it or not. [...] the atheist community is not immune to bias and group-think. These are innate human tendencies that come easily and naturally to us that make it extremely hard if not impossible to be a critical thinker on all subjects. [...]

That being said, I think we have no better alternative [...] even if it's just its most basic form of being ethical without god, and rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience, and superstition. Secular humanism doesn't tell you what's ethical [...] or exactly what is "the good life." And that seems to be its flaw. Nevertheless, I will take on secular humanism in light of all its flaws in my next post....

MORE: http://www.atheismandthecity.com/2018/02...-post.html
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Syne Offline
Failing to acknowledge the liabilities and limits of human nature, as secular humanism tends to do, while hoping for a removal of the existing social force that does is culturally suicidal. We can objectively see both the social stability promoted by Christianity and the instability brought about by "social justice".
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What should replace religion? What is already replacing it. Art, science, literature, poetry, film, music, travel, good food, drinking, sports, group sessions, and recreation.
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(Dec 7, 2018 04:43 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: What should replace religion? What is already replacing it. Art, science, literature, poetry, film, music, travel, good food, drinking, sports, group sessions, and recreation.

Yeah, the need for drinking and group sessions tell you how well the others work as replacements.
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(Dec 7, 2018 05:32 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Dec 7, 2018 04:43 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: What should replace religion? What is already replacing it. Art, science, literature, poetry, film, music, travel, good food, drinking, sports, group sessions, and recreation.

Yeah, the need for drinking and group sessions tell you how well the others work as replacements.

If they're replacing religion, then they are working quite well as replacements. You think everyone who drinks has a problem with it?
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Syne Offline
(Dec 7, 2018 05:51 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Dec 7, 2018 05:32 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Dec 7, 2018 04:43 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: What should replace religion? What is already replacing it. Art, science, literature, poetry, film, music, travel, good food, drinking, sports, group sessions, and recreation.

Yeah, the need for drinking and group sessions tell you how well the others work as replacements.

If they're replacing religion, then they are working quite well as replacements. You think everyone who drinks has a problem with it?

You'll notice, I said "drinking and group sessions". If you're doing both, you've probably got issues. None of those, including drinking or group therapy, are mutually exclusive with religion. Hell, a lot of science, literature, music, and even alcoholic drinks originated from religious people. So we'd have to have, at least, some specific metric correlated to something like decreased church attendance to even infer any sublimating relationship. Toward that end, it does seem like social justice warriors use government and politics as a substitute for god and religion, respectively. Hence the OP article's comparison, which only scratches the surface.
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Quote:If you're doing both, you've probably got issues

Not at all. One can be in group sessions for any number of things. There's thousands of meetups advertised online where people meet out of common interests and issues. The fact that one drinks isn't mutually exclusive to any of this. It's just one more of a dozen fulfilling facets of our modern areligious and secular lives.
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(Dec 7, 2018 07:55 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:If you're doing both, you've probably got issues

Not at all. One can be in group sessions for any number of things. There's thousands of meetups advertised online where people meet out of common interests and issues. The fact that one drinks isn't mutually exclusive to any of this. It's just one more of a dozen fulfilling facets of our modern areligious and secular lives.

I've never heard of interest groups being called "sessions" and only "group sessions" referring to therapy/support/counseling, AA, etc., i.e. "issues".

And you don't seem to know what "mutually exclusive" means, since both drinking and group sessions occurring together would be the exact opposite. Maybe you meant "mutually inclusive", but no one claimed they were. And if you think drinking, in and of itself, is "fulfilling", you're got issues...and the group sessions are probably a wise idea. Now, drinking might be ancillary to socializing, which could itself be fulfilling. But if alcohol is necessary to socialize, that does indicate a degree of dysfunction. And since you've claimed that you're basically a hermit, that's seems to be ruled out as a purpose for drinking. All that seems left would be self-medicating and escapism, again, warranting therapy...especially if you find that "fulfilling".
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Quote:I've never heard of interest groups being called "sessions" and only "group sessions" referring to therapy/support/counseling, AA, etc., i.e. "issues".

I have. A group session is a session of a group. Any group. It's as simple as that.

Quote:And you don't seem to know what "mutually exclusive" means, since both drinking and group sessions occurring together would be the exact opposite.

Meaning you can be in a group session AND drink. Those activities aren't mutually exclusive.
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(Dec 7, 2018 05:38 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:I've never heard of interest groups being called "sessions" and only "group sessions" referring to therapy/support/counseling, AA, etc., i.e. "issues".

I have. A group session is a session of a group. Any group. It's as simple as that.
So you proclaim, without anything but your own vague and subjective experience. Rolleyes
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Quote:And you don't seem to know what "mutually exclusive" means, since both drinking and group sessions occurring together would be the exact opposite.

Meaning you can be in a group session AND drink. Those activities aren't mutually exclusive.
Who claimed those two were mutually exclusive? O_o

Quite the opposite:
(Dec 7, 2018 07:40 AM)Syne Wrote: You'll notice, I said "drinking and group sessions". If you're doing both, you've probably got issues. None of those, including drinking or group therapy, are mutually exclusive with religion. Hell, a lot of science, literature, music, and even alcoholic drinks originated from religious people.

"If you're doing both", they can't be mutually exclusive.
Your seeming inability to read what's written probably accounts for your idiosyncratic definition of "group sessions". Rolleyes
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