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Without a Proof, Mathematicians Wonder How Much Evidence Is Enough

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https://www.quantamagazine.org/without-a...-20181031/

INTRO: Four researchers have recently come out with a model that upends the conventional wisdom in their field. They have used intensive computational data to suggest that for decades, if not longer, prevailing opinion about a fundamental concept has been wrong.

These are not biologists, climatologists or physicists. They don’t come from a field in which empirical models get a say in determining what counts as true. Instead they are mathematicians, representatives of a discipline whose standard currency — indisputable logical proof — normally spares them the kinds of debates that consume other fields. Yet here they are, model in hand, suggesting that it might be time to re-evaluate some long-held beliefs.

The model, which was posted online in 2016 and is forthcoming in the Journal of the European Mathematical Society, concerns a venerable mathematical concept known as the “rank” of an algebraic equation. The rank is a measurement that tells you something about how many of the solutions to that equation are rational numbers as opposed to irrational numbers. Equations with higher ranks have larger and more complicated sets of rational solutions.

Since the early 20th century mathematicians have wondered whether there is a limit to how high the rank can be. At first almost everyone thought there had to be a limit. But by the 1970s the prevailing view had shifted — most mathematicians had come to believe that rank was unbounded, meaning it should be possible to find curves with infinitely high ranks. And that’s where opinion stuck even though, in the eyes of some mathematicians, there weren’t any strong arguments in support of it.

“It was very authoritarian the way people said it was unbounded. But when you looked into it, the evidence seemed very slim,” said Andrew Granville, a mathematician at the University of Montreal and University College London.

Now evidence points in the opposite direction. In the two years since the model was released, it has convinced many mathematicians that the rank of a specific type of algebraic equation really is bounded. But not everyone finds the model persuasive. The lack of resolution raises the kinds of questions that don’t often attend mathematical results — what weight should you give to empirical evidence in a field where all that really counts is proof?

“There is really no mathematical justification for why this model is exactly what we want,” said Jennifer Park, a mathematician at Ohio State University and a co-author of the work. “Except that experimentally, a lot of things seem to be working out.”

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(Nov 2, 2018 02:24 AM)C C Wrote: The lack of resolution raises the kinds of questions that don’t often attend mathematical results — what weight should you give to empirical evidence in a field where all that really counts is proof?

“There is really no mathematical justification for why this model is exactly what we want,” said Jennifer Park, a mathematician at Ohio State University and a co-author of the work. “Except that experimentally, a lot of things seem to be working out.”

That (bolded) is a nonsense question. There is no such thing as proof in empirical science. So it seems these mathematicians are conflating their own field with the evidentiary criteria of others.
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(Nov 2, 2018 07:06 AM)Syne Wrote: That (bolded) is a nonsense question. There is no such thing as proof in empirical science. So it seems these mathematicians are conflating their own field with the evidentiary criteria of others.

Well, if it's been a common occurrence for mathematicians to be faced with a situation where a statistical model is convincing their membership that _X_ is the case without formal proof, then empirical evidence as a creeping intruder certainly shouldn't be upsetting their traditional applecart all of a sudden. (Just ward off the alien beast as usual with spray repellent.) But if this is a rare event or anomaly in their history, I can see some period of dismay, discussion, inner conflict, and "moral" wrestling taking place over the sanctity of their set preconditions / criterion being truly untouchable or non-amendable.

Might be in between, where aberrant bumps in the road have been encountered before, but a latter generation with bad memory believes it's a completely novel development to work-up much ado over.

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My point is that mathematics isn't an empirical subject and probably shouldn't have entertained such in the first place. Having done so, a course correction is probably warranted.
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