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Weinstein accuser releases video of creepy business meeting B4 alleged rape

#11
Secular Sanity Offline
If she wanted to bang it out, why did she say that his hand was too high? I saw it differently but who knows? I do hope that we’re allowed to flirt without that being considered sexual consent, though. If he had asked her for consent to shove his dick up her ass and she said, "ummm… a little bit" then things would be different.
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#12
Syne Offline
(Sep 14, 2018 12:28 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: If she wanted to bang it out, why did she say that his hand was too high? I saw it differently but who knows? I do hope that we’re allowed to flirt without that being considered sexual consent, though. If he had asked her for consent to shove his dick up her ass and she said, "ummm… a little bit" then things would be different.

Absolutely. But you have to wonder. If she flirted, repeatedly giving consent while being as uncomfortable as she now claims, what else did she do without saying "no"? She also knew she was recording the meeting, for what reason is unclear, but any potential witnesses who could judge a woman's actions do weight heavily on her behavior. Now, in this case that judgement could have been from her employer about her not getting the deal, thus an external pressure to consent (not Weinstein's fault). Who knows? The later meeting and supposed rape had no such constraint on her denying consent...which she never says she did. Calling it rape may be an easy way to sidestep that important detail.
There's also no law about requiring strictly verbal overt consent, like some colleges would like. There's only a legal requirement to respect a denial of consent. Even states that require affirmative consent consider overt actions (like going alone to a hotel room and not reporting rape immediately thereafter) to indicate agreement.

We can only judge what we can see for ourselves or what can be proven in court. I started watching this with every expectation of it only further damning Weinstein, much to my own surprise. That she thinks this clearly damns him seems to indicate a self-justifying delusion.
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#13
Syne Offline
Speaking of accusations of dubious credibility.
The Brett Kavanaugh accuser went from offering to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee, to wanting an FBI investigation first (even though she can't name the date or place of the supposed incident...which is not even a federal crime, under FBI jurisdiction), to agreeing to appear before the committee, but not when they scheduled it for...and still wanting an FBI investigation. Rolleyes
Everyone supposedly there that she has named has denied it, and the people supporting her story weren't even there. On top of the inconsistencies in the story itself.
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#14
Leigha Offline
How do you not know you're going into someone's private hotel room vs a conference room?

Harvey Weinstein is pretty gross, but there comes a point as women, where we need to walk away from situations as soon as they start feeling uncomfortable. We have agency, and must use it.
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Syne Offline
(Oct 30, 2018 04:55 AM)Leigha Wrote: We have agency, and must use it.

Exactly. It's sad when women seem to be the ones most interested in infantilizing themselves. A horrid marriage of feminism and victim culture.
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