Quote:So that's one vote against anyone being a voice of reason for the gay cruise ship heading to Muslim countries.
I'm not for or against podcasters being anything. Generally they will tend to "be" whatever makes them most popular and so rakes in the most cash. I myself form my own opinions and support them with my own reasoning. Or haven't you noticed.
Oh and there's a word for what people like Rubin are doing. First, a quote from him:
"On one occasion on his show Rubin said "If I found out a teacher talked to my 6-year-old about gender or sexuality, I might kill that person."--Wikipedia
"In sociology and psychology, the concept of gay individuals oppressing other gay individuals is typically referred to as
horizontal oppression or
horizontal hostility. It occurs when members of a marginalized or targeted group enforce the dominant system of discrimination upon their own peers, often acting out of internalized prejudices.Within the LGBTQ+ community, this dynamic can manifest through various forms of policing, shaming, and exclusion based on a variety of traits.
Common Manifestations
Gender and Expression Policing: Gay men and women who do not conform to heterosexual gender norms or who display effeminacy may face bullying, pressure, or mockery from within the community.
The "Masc-For-Masc" Dynamic: Within gay dating spaces, there is often a distinct preference for strict "masculine" behavior and physical standards. This can lead to the marginalization, belittling, or exclusion of men who present as more feminine, flamboyant, or non-conforming.
Lesbophobia and Biphobia: Gay individuals may perpetuate discrimination against bisexual people (e.g., viewing them as untrustworthy or "greedy") or lesbians (often intersecting with broader misogynistic or patriarchal conditioning).
Gatekeeping and Elitism: Contempt for those who are "too loud," "too obvious" with their pride, or in earlier, less visible stages of coming out.
Trans Exclusion: Some gay and lesbian individuals may exclude transgender members of the community from spaces or rights in a bid to gain mainstream societal approval.
Internalized Homophobia: The root of horizontal oppression is often internalized homophobia, where a person has absorbed society's prejudice and unconsciously directs it at others who reflect the exact identity or behavior they feel insecure about in themselves.
Why It Happens
Horizontal oppression is widely viewed as a defense mechanism and a byproduct of living in a heteronormative, patriarchal society. The psychological and social roots include:
The Pursuit of "Respectability": Marginalized groups often believe that by policing and rejecting their "fringe" or "taboo" members, they can prove their acceptability to the dominant, heterosexual majority.
Projection: Disliking traits in others that a person suppresses or fears within themselves.
Scarcity Mindset: A deeply ingrained feeling that there is only so much social acceptance or safety available for the community, leading people to tear down others to elevate their own social standing."