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https://bigthink.com/13-8/new-ufo-hearin...sensation/

INTRO: Two subcommittees of the House Oversight Committee recently held a joint hearing  [...] Astronomer Adam Frank argues that scientific inquiry into UAPs is worthwhile, but we should maintain high evidentiary standards instead of perpetuating a “circular conservation” that lacks tangible proof. 

EXCERPTS: . . . The important thing to understand about these kinds of claims is they go back to the very beginnings of UFO culture, as I found in my research for The Little Book of Aliens. There have always been ex-government officials who claimed exactly what these modern witnesses are claiming and never is there anything that scientists like me can get our hands on to do something with.

Obviously, the point of these hearings is to get some transparency on exactly this subject, and no one would be happier than me to find out that the government has proof that life exists beyond Earth. That is, literally, the one question I desperately want to answer before I die. But the long history of UFO culture is dominated by a mix of hoaxes, conspiracy-mongering, and terrible data that is passed off as “proof.” From that history, I know you need to come into this subject with a container ship’s worth of skepticism or you are going to get burned. Humans are very good at fooling themselves, especially about things they want to be true. Not getting fooled in this way is exactly why we invented science.

A few points about these extraordinary claims are worth noting. Sean Kirkpatrick was the recent director of the Department of Defense’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). This is one organization that’s been handling UAP studies. Kirkpatrick has talked about what he sees as a long-running circular conversation among UFO enthusiasts in the government. People who claim to know about something talk to other interested people. Those people then talk to others about that first person and their claims. This goes on and on until a kind of murky mythology builds up where no one has actual proof of anything, but everyone says they know someone who does.

But that proof never actually shows up. [...] So my fear with these congressional hearings is that this endless loop of sensation will go on. It will just be charge and countercharge extending forever into the decades with nothing ever resolved. After all, if you truly believe the government has proof of aliens, what proof would you accept that it doesn’t? (MORE - missing details)
Quote:But that proof never actually shows up.

That's simply not true. The AARO itself did a thorough investigation into hundreds of reports/videos of uaps and concluded various common characteristics for them. Disc shaped, cylindrical, oval, and sphericals, which were by far the most witnessed worldwide. The statement about these before Congress was pretty clear and unequivocal. They are seen all over the world, they travel from hovering still up to Mach 2, perform very interesting maneuvers, appear to be metallic, and have no visible means of propulsion. And we've had Congressional testimony from Navy pilots/sailors and confirmation on video and radar of their existence and their extraordinary capabilities. If that isn't proof for uaps I don't know what is. We are past the skeptics' narrative of do they really exist. We now know they do. So now we need to know what they are and what their intent is and how much does our govt really know about them. That's why hearings like this one are extremely necessary and need to continue.
Again, some people continuing to demonstrate their complete lack of comprehension of what amounts to credible or compelling scientific evidence. "Statements" and anecdotes "seen all over the world" are the absolute weakest forms of evidence. Very far from proof, but when you're talking about UAPs/UFOs, that bar is so low considering it need not rise to any level beyond "unidentified."
Quote:"Statements" and anecdotes "seen all over the world" are the absolute weakest forms of evidence.

Pilot reports by trained military personnel and videos and photos are strong forms of evidence. And the AARO went thru hundreds of them and analyzed them scientifically. You're not going to get any more kinds of evidence for something that appears in the sky for a few seconds and then speeds away. At least not until the Pentagon comes clean about its secret programs.
"Not going to get any more kinds of evidence" does not make it "strong forms of evidence."
Anecdotes are anecdotes, regardless of attempts to appeal to authority/expertise. Videos and photos are no more compelling than videos and photos for ghosts, Bigfoot, etc..
Quote:Videos and photos are no more compelling than videos and photos for ghosts, Bigfoot, etc..

Which is to say VERY compelling. Video evidence is used every day to solve crimes, arrest suspects, and convict criminals. It's an unflinching and objective view of the event as it happened. And it is especially powerful when combined with eyewitness testimony as in the case of many uap accounts like the Nimitz tic tac incident.
Again, the true believer doesn't know the difference between legal and scientific evidence.
Video evidence of common crimes are trivial. Video evidence of the unknown and unproven are very weak.
Quote:Video evidence of common crimes are trivial.

Bullshit it is. Video evidence solves crimes all the time, common and uncommon.

Quote:Video evidence of the unknown and unproven are very weak.

Nope..Compelling video of uaps exists all over the world in dozens of countries, totally falsifying your claim.

"The panel teased the findings as part of a new study into the presence of UAPs, which, unlike UFOs, can include unexplained phenomena in oceans, space and on the ground. The full study is expected to be released later this summer.

Sean Kirkpatrick, director of the U.S. Department of Defense’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), said the “metallic orbs” are the most common type of UAPs and are reported from “all over the world.”

Kirkpatrick said the spherical objects, which are about one to four metres in diameter, are not an “apparent threat to airborne-asset safety.” They are, however, capable of “very interesting apparent manoeuvres.”

The orbs have been spotted flying at several different velocities. Some do not appear to move at all while others have been observed in active flight. The UAPs do not show evidence of “thermal exhaust,” like heat created by a vehicle’s engine.

Based on footage, the orbs can be white, silver or translucent. They are usually observed at an altitude between 10,000 and 30,000 feet, around the same height as most commercial aircraft."--- https://globalnews.ca/news/9746110/metal...ufos-uaps/

And let's not forget that other 2021 report on uaps by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence:

"According to the report, there were 18 incidents reported in which the UAPs that were seen featured some sort of "unusual movement patterns or flight characteristics" including propulsion or other technology that wasn't evident and that could be advanced. Eleven of the incidents reported were near misses with military planes, the report said.

"Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion," the report said, in describing those incidents. "In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings," the report added.

The report also said "there was some clustering of UAP observations regarding shape, size, and, particularly, propulsion" and that "UAP sightings also tended to cluster around U.S. training and testing grounds."--- https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-t...g-n1272390
There's no real discussion with a true believer. They just keep asserting their claims, regardless of their lack of veracity.
They can't even comprehend that solving crimes is very trivial compared to the admittedly unknown and unproven.
Do you think the AARO office of the Pentagon as quoted above is lying about uaps? Why would they be? Was the video evidence too weak for THEM? lol
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