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So what percentage of the total Muslims on earth are NOT killing anyone? Ball park figure will do.

I cringe every time I hear RFK jr. speak. It's like the sound your garbage disposal makes whenever a fork gets stuck in it.

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AI Overview:

"Defining "unprovoked" is complex, as Israel often justifies its military actions as pre-emptive or retaliatory against Palestinian militant groups. However, critics and international bodies have pointed to several instances as unjustified, aggressive, or violating international law, including the 1953 Qibya massacre and various strikes against Gaza,.

Historical and Key Incidents Often Described as Unprovoked or Aggressive:

1953 Qibya Massacre: Unit 101, led by Ariel Sharon, attacked the West Bank village of Qibya, killing 69 civilians.

1956 Suez Crisis: Israel, alongside Britain and France, launched a pre-emptive invasion of Egypt.

1967 Six-Day War: Initiated with a preemptive airstrike by Israel against Egypt, often cited as a pre-emptive action rather than a direct response to an immediate attack.

1982 Lebanon War: A major invasion of Lebanon targeting the PLO, which expanded into a long-term occupation.

2008-2009 Operation Cast Lead: A 22-day offensive in Gaza.

2012 Operation Pillar of Defense: Targeted killing of a Hamas official, starting a week-long conflict.

2014 Operation Protective Edge: A seven-week war.

2021 Gaza War: 11-day conflict."

(Apr 25, 2026 02:10 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]AI Overview:

"Defining "unprovoked" is complex, as Israel often justifies its military actions as pre-emptive or retaliatory against Palestinian militant groups. However, critics and international bodies have pointed to several instances as unjustified, aggressive, or violating international law, including the 1953 Qibya massacre and various strikes against Gaza,.

Historical and Key Incidents Often Described as Unprovoked or Aggressive:

1953 Qibya Massacre: Unit 101, led by Ariel Sharon, attacked the West Bank village of Qibya, killing 69 civilians.

The 1953 Qibya massacre, where Israeli forces killed 69 Palestinian civilians, was justified by Israeli officials as a retaliatory action against fedayeen infiltration and a specific grenade attack in Yehud that killed a woman and her children. Israel aimed to establish deterrence and force Jordan to take responsibility for border security.
- Gemini

Without deterrence, those intent on invasion and genocide would keep attacking.

Quote:1956 Suez Crisis: Israel, alongside Britain and France, launched a pre-emptive invasion of Egypt.

The 1956 Suez Crisis was justified by Britain, France, and Israel as a necessary action to reverse Egypt's nationalization of the Suez Canal, secure international shipping lanes, and curb President Nasser's growing regional influence. The tripartite alliance secretly planned for Israel to invade the Sinai, providing a pretext for British and French forces to intervene to "protect" the canal.
- Gemini

So, stopping Egypt from being able to block international shipping, like Iran has been doing.

Quote:1967 Six-Day War: Initiated with a preemptive airstrike by Israel against Egypt, often cited as a pre-emptive action rather than a direct response to an immediate attack.

Israel justified its 1967 preemptive strike as an act of self-defense against imminent destruction, citing Egypt's blockade of the Straits of Tiran, the removal of UN peacekeepers, and massive Arab troop buildups on its borders. Prime Minister Levi Eshkol argued that waiting for an attack would result in high civilian casualties.
- Gemini

You can't just "wait and see" how an existential threat turns out, especially when expressed in those terms by Egypt.

Quote:1982 Lebanon War: A major invasion of Lebanon targeting the PLO, which expanded into a long-term occupation.

The 1982 Lebanon War (Operation Peace for the Galilee) was justified by Israel as a necessary security measure to dismantle Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) infrastructure in Southern Lebanon, following escalating rocket attacks on northern Israeli communities and the attempted assassination of Israel's ambassador to the UK.
- Gemini

Considering Hezbollah in southern Lebanon has been a threat to this day, apparently it not only was justified but also didn't go far enough.

Quote:2008-2009 Operation Cast Lead: A 22-day offensive in Gaza.

Operation Cast Lead (December 2008–January 2009) was justified by Israel as a necessary act of self-defense to halt persistent rocket fire from Hamas-controlled Gaza, aiming to protect its citizens, destroy rocket launch infrastructure, and reestablish deterrence. The operation followed the expiration of a tense six-month truce and intensified rocket fire, leading Israel to declare the mission a "war of no choice".
- Gemini

Defense against ongoing attacks.

Quote:2012 Operation Pillar of Defense: Targeted killing of a Hamas official, starting a week-long conflict.

The 2012 Operation Pillar of Defense was justified by Israel as a necessary act of self-defense to halt intensifying rocket fire from Hamas-controlled Gaza, which surged to over 200 rockets within days. The operation aimed to restore deterrence, degrade Hamas's rocket arsenal, and protect civilians, specifically targeting Ahmed Jabari.
- Gemini

Again, defense against ongoing attacks.

Quote:2014 Operation Protective Edge: A seven-week war.

Operation Protective Edge (July–August 2014) was justified by Israel as a necessary act of self-defense to halt rocket fire, destroy tunnel infrastructure, and neutralize Hamas personnel. It was launched after intense pressure on Hamas led to escalating violence, culminating in a 50-day conflict targeting Hamas infrastructure, with high civilian casualties.
- Gemini

Again, defense against ongoing attacks.

Quote:2021 Gaza War: 11-day conflict."

The 2021 Gaza War (often referred to as Operation Guardian of the Walls in Israel or the Unity Intifada) was justified by the warring parties through conflicting narratives, with Israel citing self-defense against rocket attacks and Hamas citing the protection of Palestinian sites in Jerusalem and responses to forced evictions.
The 11-day conflict (May 10–21, 2021) was triggered by rising tensions in East Jerusalem, specifically regarding the threatened eviction of Palestinian families in Sheikh Jarrah and clashes at the Al-Aqsa mosque compound.
- Gemini

Hamas was clearly the initiating violent aggressor.


That's your hypocritical antisemitism.

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Nope...Israel doesn't get a free pass to bomb and attack a country just because it deems them a threat. If they do then all the terrorist acts that have ever been enacted are also justified due to them deeming their target an existential threat. Being a threat is never a justification for killing. Not now. Not ever. It's simply Israeli-sponsored terrorism. And in Gaza's case it's genocide going on since the 1940's. History shows that Israel is a continuous existential threat to all Palestinians. Do they also have a right to "pre-emptive strikes"?

(Apr 25, 2026 03:40 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Nope...Israel doesn't get a free pass to bomb and attack a country just because it deems them a threat. If they do then all the terrorist acts that have ever been enacted are also justified due to them deeming their target an existential threat. Being a threat is never a justification for killing. Not now. Not ever. It's simply Israeli-sponsored terrorism. And in Gaza's case it's genocide going on since the 1940's. History shows that Israel is a continuous existential threat to all Palestinians.

You're historically illiterate. Most of Israel's targets either attacked first or were moving in troops after making existential threats. Being a threat is always justification for self-defense. Otherwise no one would be able to defend themselves until it's too late. You're even ignorant of basic self-defense law. You're an ignorant antisemite.