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Quote:And again, you do know homeowners occasionally leave the house, completely unattended, right

Again, you do know a broken window would be noticed by the homeowners?

Quote:Then why not keep you're personal beliefs in ghosts to yourself?
So if you can avoid anyone telling you something long enough, e.g. decades, it's okay to doubt what they say they experienced?

LOL A compelling video of a haunting is a little more than just sharing a belief. If that rocks your world enough to get you to embarrassingly make up tales of secret deer breakins more power to it! It obviously struck some nerves here. I think you and Zin are on the verge of a nervous breakdown. The truth does that to people.

(May 14, 2024 04:51 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Nice Socratic questions, Zin.

I’m skeptical about people who insinuate they’re not.

I’ve found that if you take everything at face value, like an incredible claim for instance, then you’re in trouble. When Madoff offered 25%+ returns on investment, many did not see the warning sign, as in just doesn’t happen in a vast majority of cases. Same goes for ghost video evidence, like no dog, ghost visible at all, just take someone’s word for it. Maybe MR fancies himself an expert on ghosts and noises so we have to believe him. Worked for Bernie, for a while at least. Only when people start asking questions does the validity of claim come out.

Quote:I’ve found that if you take everything at face value, like an incredible claim for instance, then you’re in trouble.

That's part of the risk one takes for being involved and interested in the society and world of one's time. Especially in this age of soundbyte news clips and the internet rumor mill. That you just might believe some misinformation. It happens. So what? You eventually fact check it and it is proven wrong. That doesn't mean dismissing everything everyone says in the future. That you have some moral obligation to be skeptical about every extraordinary claim or video. The fulfilling reward of learning something new and astounding about our shared human experience far outweighs any risk that you might be fooled again. Live your life I say. Confirm what is claimed. And if you get fooled anyway, you learn and move on. Nothing ventured nothing gained I say.

(May 14, 2024 05:40 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:And again, you do know homeowners occasionally leave the house, completely unattended, right

Again, you do know a broken window would be noticed by the homeowners?

Because everyone comes home and immediately checks their basement for a broken window?

Quote:LOL A compelling video of a haunting is a little more than just sharing a belief. If that rocks your world enough to get you to embarrassingly make up tales of secret deer breakins more power to it! It obviously struck some nerves here. I think you and Zin are on the verge of a nervous breakdown. The truth does that to people.

Everyone here is telling you it's not compelling. You not only believe people who claim they've experienced a ghost, but even videos where no one involved calls it a ghost.
But for some reason, you patently refuse to believe anyone that tells you they simply don't find it compelling. Why would we lie about that?

The existences of ghosts doesn't threaten my world view, as I already believe in souls that exist independently of bodies. So keep trying to straw man my motives, while I keep telling you I simply don't find it compelling.

Quote:But for some reason, you patently refuse to believe anyone that tells you they simply don't find it compelling. Why would we lie about that?

Because admitting such means the video is convincing evidence of the paranormal. And nobody wants to admit the existence of convincing evidence for something they don't want to believe in. Much better to devote hours and days to the task of debunking and redebunking the video that they claim just isn't that compelling. lol! Methinks the lady doth protest too much!

I already said I believe it could be possible. Don't know how many more ways I can say it.

Seems to be a pattern. Believe all the extraordinary tales and only be skeptical toward someone simply telling you their opinion.
Is it just because it conflicts with your own, and makes you feel insecure? Is that what all the projection about worldviews is about?

To be fair, compelling evidence is personal, an experience one has that causes the person to believe it’s real. Compelling proof however is based on factual evidence that shows something is definitely true or has really happened.

Compelling evidence can be false testimony that a witness under oath believes is true whereas compelling proof is like the DNA evidence that proves the witness was 100% mistaken.

There is enough compelling evidence in the video for MR to believe it’s the real thing but is nowhere near enough for someone else to justify it being real. Calling the opposition names and deriding them won’t change anything evidentiary, won’t ever be proof but is a perfect example of a logical fallacy.

I don't see any compelling evidence of ghosts in the OP video.

(May 15, 2024 03:53 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see any compelling evidence of ghosts in the OP video.

Neither do I but MR claims he does. It’s personal. Tough way to prove ghosts exist without compelling proof, only there’s some who would believe the same thing he does with that video which is absolutely astonishing to me.

Seems like audio/visual pareidolia. You see stairs, you hear clomping, the mind is primed to think "clomping up the stairs."
Some people are just more suggestible than others.