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Quote:It's clear that biological evolution cannot develop disembodied spirits.

It's clear biological evolution cannot develop consciousness and minds either. But here we are. Funny how that works.

(Jun 1, 2024 07:00 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:It's clear that biological evolution cannot develop disembodied spirits.

It's clear biological evolution cannot develop consciousness and minds either. But here we are. Funny how that works.

At what point did humans evolve disembodied spirits? Did demons evolve same way? If these did happen then I figure around the same time god(s) showed up. Seems like a connection there. You guys can argue that one.

When did animals evolve ghosts, like horses for instance? Same time? Whatever.

The only thing I’d like to know is when did inanimate objects like boats, clothes, weapons, etc evolve to become ghosts?

(Jun 1, 2024 07:00 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:It's clear that biological evolution cannot develop disembodied spirits.

It's clear biological evolution cannot develop consciousness and minds either. But here we are. Funny how that works.

No, it's actually the scientific consensus that evolution did develop minds and consciousness. Not that I expect you to know even that much.
Any other explanation leaves the realm of science and squarely enters the realm of religion.

Quote:At what point did humans evolve disembodied spirits? Did demons evolve same way? If these did happen then I figure around the same time god(s) showed up. Seems like a connection there. You guys can argue that one.

When did animals evolve ghosts, like horses for instance? Same time? Whatever.

The only thing I’d like to know is when did inanimate objects like boats, clothes, weapons, etc evolve to become ghosts?

LOL Mysteries indeed. Guess we'll just have to wait till we die to find all that out.

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Quote:No, it's actually the scientific consensus that evolution did develop minds and consciousness.

Yet it still remains a mystery how that came to be. They don't even have an explanation of how the brain generates the mind and consciousness. So don't expect any scientific answers about how spirits came to be either.

(Jun 1, 2024 07:19 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:No, it's actually the scientific consensus that evolution did develop minds and consciousness.

Yet it still remains a mystery how that came to be. They don't even have an explanation of how the brain generates the mind and consciousness. So don't expect any scientific answers about how spirits came to be either.

Being a mystery is far from it being "clear biological evolution cannot develop consciousness and minds."
Just as you claim there's "evidence" for ghosts, science claims there's ample evidence for evolution. And just like you claim "the truth tends to be just one explanation," science claims that one explanation is evolution.

Starting to see the similarities yet, or still absolutely clueless?

I don't expect scientific answers about spirits, hence all the talk about God. But between God and science, you have offered zero alternates. Unless or until you do, it's one or the other, and since you deny evolution could do it, you're only left with God.

Cope.

(Jun 1, 2024 09:43 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 1, 2024 07:19 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:No, it's actually the scientific consensus that evolution did develop minds and consciousness.

Yet it still remains a mystery how that came to be. They don't even have an explanation of how the brain generates the mind and consciousness. So don't expect any scientific answers about how spirits came to be either.

Being a mystery is far from it being "clear biological evolution cannot develop consciousness and minds."
Just as you claim there's "evidence" for ghosts, science claims there's ample evidence for evolution. And just like you claim "the truth tends to be just one explanation," science claims that one explanation is evolution.

Starting to see the similarities yet, or still absolutely clueless?

I don't expect scientific answers about spirits, hence all the talk about God. But between God and science, you have offered zero alternates. Unless or until you do, it's one or the other, and since you deny evolution could do it, you're only left with God.

Cope.

LOL Do you have any evidence God created ghosts? No? Then they evolved. Only 2 options just like you said.

(Jun 1, 2024 09:55 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]LOL Do you have any evidence God created ghosts? No? Then they evolved. Only 2 options just like you said.

So you are making the preposterous claim that biological evolution can develop disembodied spirits.

Do you even hear how ridiculous that is?

(Jun 1, 2024 10:18 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 1, 2024 09:55 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]LOL Do you have any evidence God created ghosts? No? Then they evolved. Only 2 options just like you said.

So you are making the preposterous claim that biological evolution can develop disembodied spirits.

Do you even hear how ridiculous that is?

Evolution created the mind. And a ghost, whatever else it is, is at least a disincarnate mind. So it makes perfect sense.

You think it makes "prefect sense" that purely biological evolution somehow developed complete independence from a physical organism?
Organism evolves and evolves and evolves, then suddenly, poof, no more need for an organism?

You whine about what science can't explain and then you do this preposterous arm-waving with no reason at all. 9_9

Quote:You think it makes "prefect sense" that purely biological evolution somehow developed complete independence from a physical organism?
Organism evolves and evolves and evolves, then suddenly, poof, no more need for an organism?

And so it always is. Seabound organisms evolve and evolve in water and then suddenly, poof, no more need for being in the water. Single-celled organisms evolve and evolve and then suddenly, poof, multicellular organisms. Technology may be seen as the human equivalent of such evolutionary quantum leaps. It's called emergence or punctuated equilibrium. Study up on it sometime.