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James Comey

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Question  Leigha Offline
In looking at Twitter earlier, thought I'd take a peek at James Comey's page. A lot of people blame him for ''burning Hillary Clinton,'' causing her to lose the 2016 election. Think many people forget, her campaign ''strategy'' was pretty bad. I don't know, Comey seems to have done the right thing - they closed the investigation over Hillary Clinton's emails, and then reopened the case because they ''found'' so much more, only a few days before the election. 

His family (wife and kids) didn't want him to come forward with that information; they couldn't cope with the idea that Trump would likely win the Presidency. Yet, he did the honest thing and reopened the investigation...finding no wrong doing on Clinton's part, a second time.

But, it's weird, looking at some of the comments on his page - some harsh posts, women even blaming Comey for Covid (in reading between the lines of their remarks) because in their eyes, Trump mishandled the pandemic during his term. ''Man, we wouldn't be in this mess if it weren't for you!'' Wow, people be crazy. Comey did his job, facts were literally dropped in his lap - if he withheld them, he might have gone to prison. 

And then, there's that Dossier!  Dodgy

Do you think that James Comey reopening the investigation into Clinton's emails, contributed to Trump winning the election? Do you think that the investigation into Trump's affiliation with Russia (Russian influence on the 2016 election) was Comey's way of attempting to ''make it up'' to Democrats?
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C C Offline
(Nov 28, 2020 04:25 AM)Leigha Wrote: [...] Do you think that James Comey reopening the investigation into Clinton's emails, contributed to Trump winning the election?


If Dems in the wild believe he caused Hillary's loss, then the ultimate fault would seem to rest on their journalists for publicizing the matter so much.{*} In contrast to the way they protected Biden's vulnerabilities this year by quickly flashing a scandal or concern and immediately letting it die; or downplaying it heavily (if there was time) or never exhibiting such at all to the masses.

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{*} Which is say: Donk voters, and Indies who lean left-of-center, wouldn't have been affected by Trump and Phant sympathizer news outlets fanning the flames.

Quote:Do you think that the investigation into Trump's affiliation with Russia (Russian influence on the 2016 election) was Comey's way of attempting to ''make it up'' to Democrats?


If it was motivated at all, then probably by his own distaste for or personal grudges against Trump. Would he really be suffering from a political bipolar condition so badly that he mood-swings to not caring at all what Dems think in 2016 and then mood-swings the other way later? But maybe that could be the case. I really have no idea what transpires in his mind. Have never bothered to either discern or project the presence of logic or lack of it -- coherence or incoherence -- inside his head.
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Syne Offline
Comey had already made it up to Democrats, by fabricating "intent" into his refusal to charge Hillary with exposing classified materials. That law only requires neglect, not intent...although there was evidence of Hillary staff intentionally destroying phones, etc.. Comey wanted Hillary to win, and likely didn't think reopening an investigation he would then refuse to press charges for would affect her chances. But no one predicted how badly she'd run her campaign. If she had won, Comey would have been sitting pretty, having ingratiated himself to the incoming president. Nothing honest about his miscalculation.

But having failed that, he then went on to push the completely fabricated (see a pattern here?) Russia collusion investigation. That was handled in such a biased manner that there can be no doubt what his motive was. Aside from plausible deniability, Comey should be in prison.
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Leigha Offline
(Nov 28, 2020 05:09 AM)C C Wrote:
(Nov 28, 2020 04:25 AM)Leigha Wrote: [...] Do you think that James Comey reopening the investigation into Clinton's emails, contributed to Trump winning the election?


If Dems in the wild believe he caused Hilary's loss, then the ultimate fault would seem to rest on their journalists for publicizing the matter so much.{*} In contrast to the way they protected Biden's vulnerabilities this year by quickly flashing a scandal or concern and immediately letting it die; or downplaying it heavily (if there was time) or never exhibiting such at all to the masses.
True, but Comey couldn't control the media, so in his mind's eye, he was just doing his job, then. I'd have to say, seeing that he wasn't a Trump supporter, calling out Hillary Clinton not just once, but twice, shortly before an election, was a pretty gutsy move, considering.


Quote:If it was motivated at all, then probably by his own personal grudges against Trump. Would he really be suffering from a political bipolar condition so badly that he mood-swings to not caring at all what Dems think in 2016 and then mood-swings the other way in another year?
Interestingly, I think he did care about what Democrats thought of his decision to reopen the investigation - it pained him. He seemed to loathe Trump. His wife and kids pleaded with him to ''just let it go.''  

Quote:But maybe that could be the case. I really have no idea what transpires in his mind. Have never bothered to either discern or project the presence of logic or lack of it -- coherence or incoherence -- inside his head.

Not much on my part either, but something triggered me to check out his Twitter page tonight, and the comments surprised me, so many people still blaming him. His job was to simply react to facts presented to him, in an ethical and honest way. When the Dossier came into the picture, he just followed through as he would with any investigation (I want to believe this lol), but the timing of it all makes you wonder. It seemed like the perfect opportunity to prove that he wasn't on Trump's side, and didn't mean to throw Hillary under the bus.
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C C Offline
(Nov 28, 2020 04:25 AM)Leigha Wrote: In looking at Twitter earlier, thought I'd take a peek at James Comey's page. A lot of people blame him for ''burning Hillary Clinton,'' causing her to lose the 2016 election. Think many people forget, her campaign ''strategy'' was pretty bad...


Hillary generously responded to Trump's constant baiting by wailing about the specific groups and issues she took him to be attacking, which made it look like they were all she cared about, in the brief highlight-bites of the news.

This election it seemed like it was the (Establishment) media trying to make it up to the Dems for being manipulated by Trump back then. By making Biden appear well-rounded -- less narrowly fixated than edit-wise they unintentionally portrayed Hillary as being. In addition to shielding him from the hither and thither threats.
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Leigha Offline
(Nov 28, 2020 05:16 AM)Syne Wrote: Comey had already made it up to Democrats, by fabricating "intent" into his refusal to charge Hillary with exposing classified materials. That law only requires neglect, not intent...although there was evidence of Hillary staff intentionally destroying phones, etc.. Comey wanted Hillary to win, and likely didn't think reopening an investigation he would then refuse to press charges for would affect her chances. But no one predicted how badly she'd run her campaign. If she had won, Comey would have been sitting pretty, having ingratiated himself to the incoming president. Nothing honest about his miscalculation.

But having failed that, he then went on to push the completely fabricated (see a pattern here?) Russia collusion investigation. That was handled in such a biased manner that there can be no doubt what his motive was. Aside from plausible deniability, Comey should be in prison.

Comey did want Hillary to win, but I think he was torn between doing the ethically right thing (reopening the investigation) and burying the new information that came to light. Hillary should have been prosecuted, but according to Comey and his team - Hillary didn't commit a crime, she was ''merely careless'' in how she handled sensitive, confidential information. Thing is, she may have opened the US up to hackers by exchanging sensitive info using her personal email. Um, that's not just a matter of being careless. So, yea, I can see why you feel Comey should have also been prosecuted for his lack of action.

That said, do you believe that the entire Dossier was fabricated? I don't. It's suspicious that Trump had a ''friendship'' with Putin, if that's what we can even label it. Whatever it was, it seemed too cozy for someone who claimed to have ''made no deals with Russia.''
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Syne Offline
(Nov 28, 2020 07:33 PM)Leigha Wrote:
(Nov 28, 2020 05:16 AM)Syne Wrote: Comey had already made it up to Democrats, by fabricating "intent" into his refusal to charge Hillary with exposing classified materials. That law only requires neglect, not intent...although there was evidence of Hillary staff intentionally destroying phones, etc.. Comey wanted Hillary to win, and likely didn't think reopening an investigation he would then refuse to press charges for would affect her chances. But no one predicted how badly she'd run her campaign. If she had won, Comey would have been sitting pretty, having ingratiated himself to the incoming president. Nothing honest about his miscalculation.

But having failed that, he then went on to push the completely fabricated (see a pattern here?) Russia collusion investigation. That was handled in such a biased manner that there can be no doubt what his motive was. Aside from plausible deniability, Comey should be in prison.

Comey did want Hillary to win, but I think he was torn between doing the ethically right thing (reopening the investigation) and burying the new information that came to light. Hillary should have been prosecuted, but according to Comey and his team - Hillary didn't commit a crime, she was ''merely careless'' in how she handled sensitive, confidential information.
Yeah, that's neglect, which is prosecutable under that law. There's no requirement for intent to be prosecuted. And even if he was torn, his ethics obviously didn't prevail.

Quote:Thing is, she may have opened the US up to hackers by exchanging sensitive info using her personal email. Um, that's not just a matter of being careless. So, yea, I can see why you feel Comey should have also been prosecuted for his lack of action.

That said, do you believe that the entire Dossier was fabricated? I don't. It's suspicious that Trump had a ''friendship'' with Putin, if that's what we can even label it. Whatever it was, it seemed too cozy for someone who claimed to have ''made no deals with Russia.''
I don't remember any of the dossier being supported by any evidence, especially the parts used for FISA court warrants of Trump allies. Putting "friendship" in scare quotes just obscures the fact that every president tries to establish good diplomacy with potential geopolitical enemies, where possible. Trump has been harder on Russia than Obama, who laughed at Mitt Romney for saying they were a threat.


Trump has not been ‘soft’ on Russia. He’s been tougher than Obama.
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