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Covid-19 in Sweden - why is the US different?

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confused2 Offline
Let's look at the difference between Sweden and the US.

In Sweden around 40% of households are single-person. That means 40% of Swedes don't pass any infections on to people in their household because there's nobody there to pass it on to.

In contrast in the US the percentage of single-person households is very low - the majority of infected people are likely to pass on an infection to people in their household - even our hero Donald Trump infected Melania with Corvid 19 (or vice versa).

The high percentage (40%) of single-households gives Swedes a flying start when it comes to keeping infectious diseases under control. It is difficult to estimate the number of single-person households in the US from the reference given below - but clearly it is very low. Before claiming the measures taken in Sweden could work in the US it would be wise to look at the vast differences between the two nations. Just the way households are organised would be sufficient without looking at the possibility that US citizens may be more selfish and more prone to acting on or passing on fake news if it suits their purposes.  


References:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/2422...s-by-type/
Family households 83.48
Married couple households 61.96
Married couple households with own children 31.29
Married couple households without own children 30.67
Male householder, with own children 3.81
Male householder, without own children 2.67
Female householder, with own children 12.33
Female householder, without own children 2.72

https://www.statista.com/statistics/5260...s-by-type/

The number of households in Sweden in 2019 amounted to around 4.7 million. Among these, the most common type of household, around 40 percent, was the single-person household without children, which amounted to around 1.9 million.
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#2
Syne Offline
Comparing the whole US, with a vastly larger population spread over a relatively huge geographical area, to Sweden is necessarily rife with problems. And considering there's little to no evidence that children carry a large enough viral load to infect anyone, you'd probably have to start by comparing single and single parent households as a group.
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#3
confused2 Offline
Syne Wrote:Comparing the whole US, with a vastly larger population spread over a relatively huge geographical area, to Sweden is necessarily rife with problems.

I agree - so let's not try to generate fake news from the comparison.

Syne Wrote:And considering there's little to no evidence that children carry a large enough viral load to infect anyone, you'd probably have to start by comparing single and single parent households as a group.

Not difficult from the sources given in the OP.

US Households Single or Single with children as a percentage of all households
21.53m of 83.48m = 25%

Swedish Households Single or Single with children as a percentage of all households
2.15m of 4.7m = 45%
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Syne Offline
(Nov 2, 2020 10:37 AM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:Comparing the whole US, with a vastly larger population spread over a relatively huge geographical area, to Sweden is necessarily rife with problems.

I agree - so let's not try to generate fake news from the comparison.
No fake news, as comparing Sweden to individual US states is a much more reasonable comparison than your nonsense of comparing a tiny country to a vasty larger one.

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Syne Wrote:And considering there's little to no evidence that children carry a large enough viral load to infect anyone, you'd probably have to start by comparing single and single parent households as a group.

Not difficult from the sources given in the OP.

US Households Single or Single with children as a percentage of all households
21.53m of 83.48m = 25%

Swedish Households Single or Single with children as a percentage of all households
2.15m of 4.7m = 45%
Good. Now do that for individual US states, of comparable size, population, and/or household demographics. You know, try comparing apples to apples. Again, just a skosh of critical reasoning.
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Syne Offline
(Nov 2, 2020 05:33 PM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:Sweden's had fewer deaths per million of population than Spain, US, UK, and Italy: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Sweden is economically dependent upon trade, so it is not insulated against the economic fallout from other countries.

https://www.scivillage.com/thread-9228-p...l#pid38430

Sorry, you didn't make clear you had abandoned any pretense of critical reasoning when you made the point.

And you should be able to notice that those European countries are much more comparable to Sweden, in size, population, and/or demographics. See how comparing apples to apples works? Now you try it some time.
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confused2 Offline
Syne Wrote:And you should be able to notice that those European countries are much more comparable to Sweden, in size, population, and/or demographics. See how comparing apples to apples works? Now you try it some time.
THIS thread is "Covid-19 in Sweden - why is the US different?" - sometime you might want to try starting a thread "Covid-19 in Sweden - why is the [country of your choice] different?".
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Syne Offline
(Nov 3, 2020 03:24 AM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:And you should be able to notice that those European countries are much more comparable to Sweden, in size, population, and/or demographics. See how comparing apples to apples works? Now you try it some time.
THIS thread is "Covid-19 in Sweden - why is the US different?" - sometime you might want to try starting a thread "Covid-19 in Sweden - why is the [country of your choice] different?".

And I already told you, explaining why you can't make a direct comparison of the two. If you can't manage to learn the very basics of how to honestly compare data, that's on you. Can't say I didn't try to teach you. Enjoy your ignorance.
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#9
confused2 Offline
If, as it seems, we are agreed that no reasonable person would even attempt to compare the Swedish dataset with the US dataset then the objective of the OP has been achieved and I think we are finished here.
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Syne Offline
(Nov 3, 2020 03:55 AM)confused2 Wrote: If, as it seems, we are agreed that no reasonable person would even attempt to compare the Swedish dataset with the US dataset then the objective of the OP has been achieved and I think we are finished here.

Yep, comparing the entire US to Sweden is pointless. Luckily Yaz's topic compared individual US states to Sweden.
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