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How much do risk factors matter for Trump? (POTUS survival)

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C C Offline
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tru...president/

EXCERPTS: . . . Though Trump is in overall good health according to his publicly released annual physicals (which, it’s worth noting, only includes details at the discretion of the president’s doctor), he has a few risk factors that increase the odds of a severe infection, hospitalization, and death. He is 74 years old, male, and obese — at 6 feet, 3 inches tall and 244 pounds, his body mass index is 30.5, just over the line for the definition of obesity. While Trump doesn’t have hypertension, his latest physical said his blood pressure is 121 over 79, which is considered “elevated.” But just how risky are these factors?

Let’s start with age. When it comes to COVID-19, the older you are, the more elevated your risk of severe illness, hospitalization, ventilation and death. [...] “Even when controlling for a huge number of comorbidities, age is still the most important predictor of death,” said Marm Kilpatrick, an infectious disease biologist at the University of California, Santa Cruz. ... Patients aged 70-79 were 6.07 times more likely to die of COVID-19 than those 50-59, and patients over 80 were 20.6 times more likely to die compared to the 50-somethings.

In the U.S., 8 out of 10 COVID-19-related deaths have been in adults age 65 and older [...] Older people tend to have a higher prevalence of underlying illnesses that we know increase risk, along with declining immune responses. Being a man also puts Trump at a higher risk of adverse effects ... n the U.S., nearly 1.5 times more men than women in Trump’s age cohort have died because of COVID-19...

Lastly, we know that the president’s weight also likely puts him at a greater risk of a severe or deadly bout of COVID-19. [...] people with obesity who contracted COVID-19 were 113 percent more likely to be hospitalized, 74 percent more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48 percent more likely to die...

[...] But the president is, well, the president. And while his biology may be putting him in a riskier category, his social status is working in his favor. ... “If anyone has better odds of surviving than any other 74-year-old with his characteristics, it’s probably the president of the United States,” said Andrew Azman, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University.

Right now, the president reportedly has only mild symptoms and we can assume he is under constant, high-quality medical care. Those are things that could indicate a milder course of the disease, Azman said. [...] “Our best guess is the population average for people that look like him,” Azman said. “But we know that he is not the average person.” (MORE - details)
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Ben the Donkey Offline
Not the average person?
Like, Kim Yong Il's famous round of golf, and how Putin looks so manly while riding horses?

Come on, America. Get your shit together. The rest of the world knows he'll recover mostly because he's been given the very best the USA has to offer in treatment, which would be rather effective if it were more... you know. Universal.
And there are a fair percentage wondering if this just isn't another stunt. Not saying I'm one of them, but if there's room for doubt in that sphere, it's no one's fault but your own.
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C C Offline
(Oct 3, 2020 07:12 PM)Ben the Donkey Wrote: Come on, America. Get your shit together. The rest of the world knows he'll recover mostly because he's been given the very best the USA has to offer in treatment, which would be rather effective if it were more... you know. Universal.

I don't know about that. For decades affluent entertainment celebrities having been dying at ages and from conditions that average, non-famous people I know have recovered from and lived beyond. The problem is not getting the best care (if you've got insurance at all), it's that there's no other (cheaper) standard you can receive but the best. There are young "I'm invincible!" types who would literally be satisfied with second-rate care with lower costs (which would also have to be partially shielded from litigation to ever persist).

Actually there's a relative on hubby's side who has no insurance at all, and the hospital charged him less circa $800 for a recent surgery that would have cost several times that if he had been insured or had medicare (i.e., healthcare system is a swindle). His parents are aghast that he's regularly getting away with such while they're paying several hundred a month for protection that's rarely used (barring routine doctor appointments).
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Ben the Donkey Offline
The part I found most interesting was that last bit about him not being "your average person", to narrow the focus of my comments, but I suppose I did ask for it, so...

Isn't that an indictment on your healthcare system (and private insurance in general) though, CC, rather than an assessment of the POTUS chances of recovery in itself?
Are you saying the POTUS has to bother with private healthcare to begin with? We have yet to see any proof that he has to bother even with paying income tax.

(haha... I'm sorry. That last was unnecessary. But I'm smiling anyway. I could tell you a rather amusing story about that time I had appendicitis if you like?).

I'll re frame it as a question.
Is there any doubt in your mind that he'll recover?
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C C Offline
(Oct 3, 2020 08:07 PM)Ben the Donkey Wrote: The part I found most interesting was that last bit about him not being "your average person", to narrow the focus of my comments, but I suppose I did ask for it, so...


The original title included "...But It Helps To Be The President." I mean, it's not like the article does not point out in more than one place what it meant by him not being average.

Quote:Isn't that an indictment on your healthcare system (and private insurance in general) though, CC, rather than a statement in refute of my assessment of your healthcare issues?


Was the part I quoted and addressed not "The rest of the world knows he'll recover mostly because he's been given the very best the USA has to offer in treatment, which would be rather effective if it were more... you know. Universal"

The POTUS will receive more meticulous attention, but it's not spectacularly beyond the norm. REPEAT: I don't know about that. For decades affluent entertainment celebrities having been dying at ages and from conditions that average, non-famous people I know have recovered from and lived beyond.
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Syne Offline
(Oct 3, 2020 07:12 PM)Ben the Donkey Wrote: Come on, America. Get your shit together. The rest of the world knows he'll recover mostly because he's been given the very best the USA has to offer in treatment, which would be rather effective if it were more... you know. Universal.
It's the leftists, media, and their sympathizers here that are actively pushing some treatments off the table, simply because Trump has touted them...because supposedly everything Trump says MUST be wrong. Those who cry about "follow the science" denying the experience of front-line doctors all over the world. So yes, if every possible treatment were on the table for everyone, it would be better.

(Oct 3, 2020 08:07 PM)Ben the Donkey Wrote: Isn't that an indictment on your healthcare system (and private insurance in general) though, CC, rather than an assessment of the POTUS chances of recovery in itself?
Like almost any decent job in the US, federal employees have pretty good employer provided health insurance.
I'd be surprised if any country wouldn't take some extra measures, even if only experts volunteering, to ensure the health of its leaders.

Quote:We have yet to see any proof that he has to bother even with paying income tax.
Except he's overpaid by millions, in estimated taxes while filing extensions. Joke or not, disinformation doesn't need to be spread.

October 3

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Vo7WgJSMU_0
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Ben the Donkey Offline
(Oct 3, 2020 08:32 PM)C C Wrote:
(Oct 3, 2020 08:07 PM)Ben the Donkey Wrote: The part I found most interesting was that last bit about him not being "your average person", to narrow the focus of my comments, but I suppose I did ask for it, so...


The original title included "...But It Helps To Be The President." I mean, it's not like the article does not point out in more than one place what it meant by him not being average.

Quote:Isn't that an indictment on your healthcare system (and private insurance in general) though, CC, rather than a statement in refute of my assessment of your healthcare issues?
 

Was the part I quoted and addressed not "The rest of the world knows he'll recover mostly because he's been given the very best the USA has to offer in treatment, which would be rather effective if it were more... you know. Universal"

The POTUS will receive more meticulous attention, but it's not spectacularly beyond the norm. REPEAT: I don't know about that. For decades affluent entertainment celebrities having been dying at ages and from conditions that average, non-famous people I know have recovered from and lived beyond.

Yes, you're right, I wasn't looking at it properly.
One day I'll learn not to comment on anything unless I'm sober, and haven't had my mood eroded by addressing less palatable things first.
But don't hold me to that. 

But there is something in it. The world has gotten to the point where there are considerable numbers of people who treat news services with enough disdain now to be wondering if he even has it. I haven't reached that point myself, in any concrete fashion... but that thought is there, lurking.
Hence the question.  
My answer to it last night would be, no. No doubt in mind my mind at all he'll recover, and it won't be too long before he does, either. Perhaps, just long enough? 
On a personal level, I was self-analysing my own increasing willingness to entertain that kind of notion, as nothing happens in a vacuum. I'm my own favourite study, CC. I might have mentioned that.
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