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Human pilot battled AI in 5 simulated dogfights, & the machine won every time

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https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-just-...ght-2020-8

SUMMARY POINTS:
  • An artificial intelligence program developed by Heron Systems went head-to-head against a seasoned Air Force F-16 pilot in a simulated dogfight Thursday.

  • Heron's AI achieved a flawless victory with five straight wins. The human pilot never scored a single hit, according to multiple reports.

  • The "WWII-style" dogfight was part of DARPA's AlphaDogfight competition, which is designed to advance the agency's efforts to build trust in AI and develop manned-unmanned teaming capabilities.

EXCERPT: . . . Speaking at a Mitchell Institute event in early June, Air Force Lt. Gen. Jack Shanahan, then the head of the Joint Artificial Intelligence Center, said that the Air Force is looking at putting an AI-driven autonomous drone up against a manned fighter aircraft in a dogfight next year. It is unclear what next year's air-to-air battle will look like, assuming it happens. It is also unclear exactly what the AI-driven autonomous drone might look like... (MORE - details)
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(Aug 22, 2020 12:30 AM)C C Wrote: https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-just-...ght-2020-8

SUMMARY POINTS:
  • An artificial intelligence program developed by Heron Systems went head-to-head against a seasoned Air Force F-16 pilot in a simulated dogfight Thursday.

  • Heron's AI achieved a flawless victory with five straight wins. The human pilot never scored a single hit, according to multiple reports.

  • The "WWII-style" dogfight was part of DARPA's AlphaDogfight competition, which is designed to advance the agency's efforts to build trust in AI and develop manned-unmanned teaming capabilities.

EXCERPT: . . . Speaking at a Mitchell Institute event in early June, Air Force Lt. Gen. Jack Shanahan, then the head of the Joint Artificial Intelligence Center, said that the Air Force is looking at putting an AI-driven autonomous drone up against a manned fighter aircraft in a dogfight next year. It is unclear what next year's air-to-air battle will look like, assuming it happens. It is also unclear exactly what the AI-driven autonomous drone might look like... (MORE - details)

Proves nothing. If one side has AI fighter pilots then so will the other. Makes more sense to have machine battle machine even it’s the same style. Why develop an AI jet unless knowing they probably won’t be fighting manned machines? Sales tactics?
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(Aug 22, 2020 01:41 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Proves nothing. If one side has AI fighter pilots then so will the other.


That's just it, though. By 2150 -- if not a half century earlier -- humans will be obsolete. Except for the elite cyborg owners and power-players still directing things for a bit longer till the completely synthetic generations and infomorph persons replace them, too.

Which is as unguided evolution would have it in its final gasp: Handing over the reigns to post-biological life that can endure and exploit outer space, hibernate as it migrates and seeds across the light-years, and survive the home-world environment dramatically altered by industrialization. Star Trek always was ludicrously anachronistic, right down to flesh-and-blood hands still pressing buttons and turning knobs, and even having any crew at all apart from maintenance and repair bots.

With a countless number of worlds in and beyond the visible universe, at least one of them was probabilistically bound to enjoy an extraordinary sequence of "good luck" incidents and periods over billions of years -- as if an invisible hand was playing fairy godmother for it. Right up to an expanding red sun gobbling it up -- and even then, it might be engineered to a distant orbit and preserved as an historical monument. Granting anything is left of such archaic sentiments. "Worker ants" don't exactly radiate such romanticism, no matter how complex their skills get; and simulated organisms living in the fantasy worlds of quantum computer "inner space" may have even forgotten non-technological space or regard it is myth or metaphysical speculation.
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In the games scene, bots can eventually be matched and overcome. It's dependent on if their methods of engagement follow specific repetitive patterns (The "Rules and Boundaries"). For instance it's possible to cause panicks (e.g. Stock value plummeting in 2008) or intended reactions through ruses, however the main problem with those strategies in a "dogfight" is that you'd be pushing the very limits of aerodynamics and basic physics to pull off any counters to an AI. (after all it would assume not to follow you into the ground if you took a steep dive etc)

There is also the factor of whether the real world would permit a fair fight? Would that be one human vs two AI (Such as the "two wolves one sheep" dilemma), or two humans vs one AI. When you start messing with the dynamics the results also shift.
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I'm guessing the difference between an AI equipped plane and a missile is that the AI plane is expected to return to base - so a kind of re-usable missile which may itself fire missiles which may or not be AI equipped. The AI missiles fired by the AI missile might themselves fire AI missiles but I don't think we need to go there right now.

The job for the hacker would be to convince the AI missiles that its enemies are really its friends and (even better) that its friends are its enemy. A battle could be won or lost before the AI missile is even launched.

One of the fun parts of writing software is that you still have to maintain (upgrade etc) the system after it has been sold. The customer is often reluctant to give out the passwords they are using for security reasons. So how do you maintain software without access to it? I suspect most software has a 'backdoor' (unknown to the customer) which gives the developer full access to the entire system. I may be unusual but that is certainly what I used to do.
You had to do 'something else' but once you'd done it my initials and date of birth gave complete control.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
Would you get on a commercial jet piloted by AI ? These planes practically fly themselves it seems anyways. Why not include AI control tower, mechanics and all the way down to baggage handlers? 

Been my experience that anything built by man eventually breaks. Is AI exempt from Murphy’s Law? Even if AI itself builds it.

Will AI care about a green Earth? Doubt it. Once environmentalists get involved, should hold up or delay AI production for a significant period of time. 

I certainly wouldn’t want to piss AI off. Maybe the wokes can take care of that. Could be they’re already preparing for AI’s emergence....“nice AI, have some synthetic oil, let me get that for you, you’re not a machine because you’re one of us”. etc.  Smile
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