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The law of conservation of information and the observer, where is memory stored

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zhangjinyuan Offline
The question of "everything has its beginning and ending". Will matter disappear
What is the beginning? Big bang?
So what is disappearance?
Some people may say that the death of living things, the evaporation of water, is called disappearance
It's illogical, because we know that there's only matter that transforms into another form, and there's no disappearance
Whether it is a closed system, or access to other systems, but the speed of transformation and more micro to the extent that we can not imagine
But there is no disappearance
I don't understand the meaning of the word disappearance, but I can understand the transformation from one form to another
For example, in the form of energy matter, water evaporates into gas
Is there a real disappearance? If there is, in this world, a material disappears, and there will inevitably be a vacancy. I think this is wrong and impossible
It is also impossible to go to another closed world, so there will be less world on this side, which proves that there are many [worlds]. Obviously, at present, we only have [transformation], not [disappearance]
Even if a small particle is fleeting and decaying, it will only be transformed into a more microscopic form, but it will not disappear
So it is wrong that everything has its beginning and end
[all things have no end point] only exist [transformation]

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The thinking of ordinary people is lost and nonexistent. However, it can not stand the scrutiny and can only exist in transformation
I think I must be right about this point
But there are still some other nonphysical things that I can't understand. Do you follow this rule
What is immaterial? information
It's like typing "hello" in the computer and deleting it
According to normal logic, this "hello" should disappear
But if we follow this logic, he doesn't conform to the above rule,
So what did he transform into?
At this time, it is likely that some people think that my brain is damaged, the text deleted is not disappeared, how can it be transformed?
If there is a kind of thing in the world that will only disappear and will not transform, then this kind of thing cannot be called substance
Suppose two worlds, one substance suddenly disappears, then it will certainly appear empty and shrink. If matter is produced out of thin air, instead of transformation, then space will inevitably expand
If there is only one world, it is impossible for matter to disappear. If there is one world, its space volume will certainly decrease
Of course, the above seems to be nonsense, because this is the law of conservation of energy
Once we were very surprised by the black hole. We thought that black hole can completely eliminate a substance from the world, and it doesn't exist
However, the latter view has been overturned. It is obvious that if matter can be combined with other existing substances and energy, it will never produce new energy or the current energy will disappear out of thin air, because no matter how large the universe is, the matter inside it will remain unchanged and will only transform from one form to another

Back to science

This makes me very puzzled

Is information material? Will it affect the framework of the universe?

Generally speaking, according to logic, information certainly does not belong to matter. This is common sense. The computer type the word "hello" and then delete the information and disappear

So what does information belong to? Then maybe it's just a program in the computer. No matter whether it's typed or deleted, it's still a computer program, but it's just transformed from black screen to text. Maybe that's what makes me understand. Otherwise, pure [appearance] and [disappearance] don't exist in this world, so information can only be transformed instead of disappearing, including computer data

I've always suspected that information is not matter, so there's no need to follow conservation laws

What does immaterial information include? The program code in the computer belongs to, but this should be distinguished

For example, we use a cigarette to spit out a number [3] cigarette ring, which must be material, but the meaning of the three is not material, because only we, or biology or observers can see and know this information

This leads us to associate non-material information with consciousness and biology. Information seems to be meaningful only to organisms and observers

Before the formation of biological information, was there any non physical information?

In fact, the implication is to know what the intangible information is? Does he follow the law of conservation?

If it is followed, what is it produced out of thin air or disappeared or transformed out of thin air

The law cannot be produced out of thin air. For example, stone is not produced out of thin air. It must be transformed from other substances

But we made bicycles, from the material point of view, it is the transformation and combination of other materials. Why can bicycles be used to ride on the road after they are made? I think [immaterial information] still follows this conservation law

For example, we can invent bicycles. According to science, bicycles can walk, but this shows that technology existed before we invented any technology

It doesn't come out of thin air, but it exists in itself, so we can invent it

In turn, the message "bicycle can walk" will not disappear in any condition

Or if the world's creatures and observers perish, this information will remain in the universe and the world until the next creature and observer makes it

It has always been there

So by analogy, are we inventing mathematics, technology, and even the voice, information, and consciousness between us and animals, out of thin air? Will it disappear again? I don't think so

So how did they transform and disappear

Or perhaps in fact, these [non-material information] has always existed or existed

I think if we understand this crucial issue, how is the intangible information transformed into something else

If we solve this problem, we can solve the essence of the world

Is it possible that microscopic matter and particles in this world are places for transforming and storing these intangible information?

Macroscopically speaking, if any space and any substance can not be created and disappeared, it will only change the form and indirectly lead to the expansion and contraction of the whole space?

Does dark matter and dark energy belong to this kind of immaterial information

Is it possible that the big bang, expansion and acceleration of the universe are related to the generation, transformation and disappearance of non-material information?

Isn't that what atheists and theists, idealism and materialism have been arguing about? Can consciousness and soul be created and disappeared

According to the law of conservation, people or other creatures will not produce a soul after death

If the so-called soul or consciousness exists, it is impossible to go to other worlds [otherwise, there will be a hole in the world, causing space shrinkage], and it is impossible for the so-called soul or consciousness to disappear out of thin air

The view of supporting reincarnation is to insist that the intangible information will not disappear, only change

Although I am against this theological view of reincarnation and reincarnation, it is precisely because other people can not clearly explain where this [non-material information] has gone, and can not refute those who support the idea of reincarnation

Conscious memory needs material carrier, but essence is not material information. Does it really exist?

If the information of memory may exist in more microscopic particles, what about consciousness? What is consciousness? Is it just a chemical reaction between the brain and neurons? Does consciousness belong to matter or information? Like lightning, maybe it is just the form of energy transmission of countless neurons?

I don't quite understand that there is something out of the rule of conservation of material information

I can understand that after the death of a creature, he lost consciousness without material operation, but the information stored in information must still exist in the microstructure

And just as the above said, bicycles exist in the first place. Instead of inventing them, we have combined them into bicycles. This information of bicycles is originally there, but is consciousness the information that exists in variants?

Perhaps consciousness belongs to memory, in the constant contact and generation of new and old memories, with the help of the brain and stored information caused by countless conditioned reflex behavior

A new-born baby, in the facial features mature, gradually produce memory, constantly input memory let him have countless
However, although different first perspectives produce unique memories and cause differences between people, it is not easy to explain such behaviors as independent thinking

If you add one, there are microscopic particles that can store information, and that kind of thing can probably be explained clearly

Human consciousness is a kind of memory which is constantly input by the contact between the five senses and the body, resulting in innumerable conditional emission. Because of the existence of information particles in the air or food or other substances that contact, the human consciousness is composed of countless memories and countless information particles

When you contact the information that you have never been exposed to, you will naturally read through countless memories, causing confusion

From this we can infer that human consciousness is the result of innumerable memories of life contact. In addition to some micro information particles that already exist, these information particles may exist in any corner of the world

After death, billions of memory particles are broken down or scattered, and my conscious body composed of billions of them is separated [not disappeared],

Each individual memory particle can be regarded as the "total consciousness" before life, and after being dispersed, it forms countless new living or non living things

If memory and consciousness represent one person, it seems that death is not disappearing, but that countless particles of memory have been dispersed to various places



Is this information stored in the more microscopic particles in the brain? Is there a very microscopic particle that stores all kinds of information about the world?

If there are these microscopic particles that store previous information or something, we can know the answer to the world,

As people get older, most people's memory will decline. Is it possible that when a part of the body declines, these microscopic memory particles

Is it possible to transform or exclude the human body by following the rule of non disappearance

Because information doesn't disappear, and it's created, it can be found tens of billions of years ago or more

As long as information follows the law of conservation, no disappearance, no creation, it will be found

It is only by finding this information that we can change and understand the world

This kind of information storage particles may contain the information of the universe and the memory information of countless life

It's very microscopic, and it's possible that each microscopic particle only holds very little information

For example, I love my cat. This memory may be stored by countless micro information particles, which record the information of me, what is love, my family, cat, what kind of cat, and so on. When combined with the neurons of the brain, the memory information can be formed

There are countless memories of repeated combinations to form consciousness

Macroscopically speaking, since all things and information follow the law of transformation, then from micro particles, macro world, biology, cosmology and so on

Many mysteries will be solved. Cell proliferation is not due to the production of cells out of thin air. It must be the conversion of other substances

Cells are reduced out of thin air. They must not disappear, but transform into other forms

Why does the universe expand? Must it be driven by dark energy? Is it possible for dark matter to store microscopic information?





Digression: it seems that there is only one way to create the world, assuming that all things will eventually disappear, or all things will be infinite,

Then it will surely perish and disappear. There is no such world. The current world is very reasonable and understandable. The total matter of the universe,

All the energy and particles are randomly generated, they don't die out, they don't produce new ones, infinite energy and particles have infinite combinations

The so-called Poincare conjecture and parallel world are no more than specific combinations and different combinations in infinite combinations, which produce different worlds and combine into different material energies



I personally infer

Since the universe has been created, then probability, it does not exist to disappear, because as long as there is once, then the probability of formation after disappearance will always be

It's just very low, very low, but it won't be 0

No matter the universe collapses or expands, the big bang, the total energy does not change, it can transform and change at will

The composition of all kinds of planets, energy, life, is a combination of arbitrary probability, the total energy of the universe is too much, this combination is also unimaginable

There can be a living universe, an inanimate universe, or even a universe with two or more kinds of life at the same time

There is no universe that comes into being and disappears forever because of probability

There may not be a universe that will never collapse

Maybe this is another form of reincarnation from the religious point of view

Everything is just a probability combination of energy

Energy will not disappear, but transform. No matter closed system or multi system, it is transformation and transfer, and there is no disappearance

Of course, the reincarnation universe is my assumption on the basis that the total energy will not disappear

Like the previous question, is there a message between the countless collapses and the big bang?

Just like people's memories, will they be left behind

In reality, people accidentally invented some things, invented technology, inspiration, people's fantasy, dreams and so on

I can't help but doubt that there may be such infinite time information in microscopic particles or energy in reality

Some of our ideas and creations, as well as our familiar thoughts, may be outside the memory of the mind and the existing life,

It's related to the energy or particles that can't be observed and discovered at present
It's related to the energy or particles that can't be observed and discovered at present

But does the energy and particles that store information exist? If it exists, it only stores in one universe

Or is it that no matter how many cosmic explosions, collapses, he's always storing it?

If it does exist, then it must be very microscopic, microscopic, and a single energy can only store very small, very small information

This may explain some of the things in our reality, such as the flash of light, the invention and creation, and the intelligence beyond ordinary people

Perhaps if intelligent creatures can discover and crack it one day, many secrets of the universe can be solved

The premise is that it exists lol

Energy, the law of conservation of information, can only transform, not disappear

The observer affects microparticles [eye effect or information effect? ]

3. The memory of a creature after death, according to the first item, will not disappear. Where has the information gone?

If we don't look at the moon, then the moon doesn't exist?

With life, there is observer

Memory is lost or likely to come back when the brain hits, and memory declines in older people

Memory is the information storage of the observer



That's why some problems arise

If memory belongs to information and obeys the law of conservation, it will not disappear, then where is it stored and transferred after death?

In addition to memory, is what we see, think and communicate also belong to information?

We are all observers. Information comes from living things

Perhaps it is not the observer's observation that causes the microparticles, but the information that causes the microparticles to change

5 may exist in particles that cannot be measured and observed by equipment, but can be changed by understanding and memory

Did the particles begin to exist in the universe or living things? Will it always exist or transform?

Does it exist in the air that we cannot see, or does it have to depend on the observer's body or brain?
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stryder Offline
In computer terms memory is a repeated cycle of energy repeating particular patterns to act as a memorized state.  Should then energy dissipate (the cycle stop) then the memory is lost.

Energy of course isn't destroyed, however a good analogy is that energy a bit like the surface of an ocean during a storm.  When it is in a form (matter etc), it is like the weather is rough and the ocean surface is covered in high waves, when it "dissipates" it is as if the surface becomes calm and as smooth as possible. 

Whether it's rough or calm the water remains (much like whether energy is compressed in density to form matter or flattened out out into zeropoint space)
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Zinjanthropos Offline
I think what the OP is suggesting is that reincarnation is the result of the tiniest bits of matter containing information of a previous biological life form. So as a result of recycling, some of those bits end up in someone else’s memory, I think.
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zhangjinyuan Offline
(Jul 13, 2020 01:28 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: I think what the OP is suggesting is that reincarnation is the result of the tiniest bits of matter containing information of a previous biological life form. So as a result of recycling, some of those bits end up in someone else’s memory, I think.
Thank you. I guess this kind of information probably exists in the particles of more wechat, and has an impact on the creatures in the world at the moment, but most people think that this information is meaningless and can disappear

It is difficult to observe the form of micro to present science and technology

And it's not a whole transformation. For example, it will break up into hundreds of millions of memories, information and particles

I guess if you want to find it [if it exists]

Maybe we can find information from hundreds of millions of years ago
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C C Offline
(Jul 13, 2020 01:33 PM)zhangjinyuan Wrote: [...] Maybe we can find information from hundreds of millions of years ago

Such information (dedomena when feral or unprocessed?) is arguably all around us. The presentism view of time especially highlights this. Since in its context the past doesn't even exist except as retention of bygone events in the structural patterns of environmental material and electromagnetic radiation traveling across space. All the short-lived "now" states of the cosmos which continually replace each other have to keep carrying that information about "before" to avoid the past having fantasy status, or rather be completely inconceivable.{*}

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{*} The universe as scientifically or critically examined does not seem to conform to presentism and the idea of its special, global "now" (general relativity, various arguments, etc). But that commonsense view of time at least still applies in terms of the everyday beliefs or experiences of a conscious observer. Particularly in terms of our lacking the capacity to corporeally visit the past to confirm its existence, like a trip to a vacation spot. Which is to say, we're usually confined to our psychological representation of the world's different states as a sequence of ephemeral changes, with only the immediate one being real, when that phenomenal simulation is left alone or unchallenged by reason and experiment.
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