Are ''moderate'' Democrats becoming more liberal?

[Leigha]

In other news, in a discussion thread on SF, there are quite a few members there who honestly believe that all or most republicans are white supermacists. lol I mean, do they not personally know any decent people in their personal lives who politically, lean towards being a republican? It proves my point with what I've stated above, though - so many of us have such hardcore preexisting biases, that we simply can't see the opposing side(s) as anything other than an ''enemy.''

[Yazata]

Do you get the feeling that ''moderate'' Democrats really aren't all that ''moderate'' at all?

Yes, definitely.

They are pretty much all agreed on an agenda that seemingly is focused squarely on the desires of media celebrities, radical professors, illegal aliens and transvestites. They constantly accuse Trump and his supporters of "dividing the country" while they are the ones always pushing hugely divisive 'race-class-gender' politics in opposition to any sense of common national identity that we might all share. They accuse Trump and his supporters of "hate" while it's his supporters are the ones who run the risk of being physically assaulted and defamed merely for daring to speak or wearing a 'MAGA' hat.

They accuse President Trump of being a totalitarian, while they dominate the news and entertainment media, education and the federal civil service which operates in what can only be described as a seditious manner, having given up any pretense of being non-partisan. It wasn't Trump that turned the Justice Department, the IRS, the FBI, the CIA and the federal judiciary into what were effectively the enforcement arms of one political party. (My own view is that he's been far too hesitant in trying to reverse that.)

There's never really been any attempt to understand why people voted for President Trump in the first place (and likely will again). There's never any attempt to speak to the concerns of those voters and make a case why the left side might address their concerns better than Trump would.

It's ironic that the non-stop 24/7 expressions of vile hatred for President Trump and for his voters is perhaps the best free advertising that Trump could possibly get. The average Middle American knows full well what the NYC, DC, LA and SF elites think of them, their interests and their needs. They know full well who supports them and who listens to them. Most likely they will vote accordingly, just as they did in 2016. Hillary's biggest single blunder in 2016 was calling her opponent's supporters "deplorables". Today you hear that every day on CNN, MSNBC, on the broadcast networks, in the New York Times and the Washington Post, in university classrooms, on late-night TV, even on Sciforums.

It's not the way to win friends or induce people to switch over to the other side. It just creates anger and makes people on the receiving end double-down.  

I will say that Tulsi Gabbard is perhaps my favorite democratic primary candidate. (She has little chance of winning the nomination though.) Some of the things she says I strongly disagree with, but the mere fact that she's been denounced as a "Russian asset" by no less than Hillary Clinton (who ironically is on the moderate end of her party's spectrum compared to many of the others) shows me that Tulsi isn't all bad. (An enemy of my enemy is my friend.)

[Leigha]

Swinging for the fences today, you are Yazata  Your points on SF in the Trumplican thread and here are spot on. I'm neither a Trump supporter nor a Trump basher, I simply observe how the Republicans and Democrats are handling themselves, and it seems that the reason why Democrats don't have a strong frontrunner right now, is that they have a near-obsession with Trump. They lack a solid strategy (at least one that can be articulated well) and should really be focusing on their own opinions and ideas. Almost all of the candidates throughout the debates, echoed one another ''we have to get Trump out of the white house,'' which was met with applause and cheers from the audience. But, in reality, with all who have dropped out of the race, it shows that no one cares about empty mantras bashing Trump. Not even many Democrat voters.

I too like Tulsi Gabbard, and what a joke when she went on The View, and Joy Behar ripped into her. lol So much for women sticking together, supporting one another, and Gabbard is a fellow Democrat. Oh, the irony. 

[C C]

. . . They are pretty much all agreed on an agenda that seemingly is focused squarely on the desires of media celebrities, radical professors, illegal aliens and transvestites. They constantly accuse Trump and his supporters of "dividing the country" while they are the ones always pushing hugely divisive 'race-class-gender' politics in opposition to any sense of common national identity that we might all share. ...

During the last POTUS election, I still remember how Trump would tactically say something provocative so that Hillary in response would be speaking up for the applicable subject or population group at one of her rallies. With the media similarly exploited to zero in on such as the choice for their video/audio bites of her.

It came across on the evening news like she cared about nothing else and no other Americans, just the interests and so-called "teacher's pets" of the Wokescenti. It was downright embarrassing how she repeatedly played right into the hands of a rakish character she considered dumber than dirt.

Part of it probably was due to that myopic arrogance of the coastal mentality (influence of posturing white intellectuals and poseur white celebrities seeking ancestral redemption as a career builder), wherein they literally seem to believe the majority (including the poor) are likewise constantly fretting over their narrow band of SocJus issues as the top priority.

[Syne]

Hear, hear, Yaz.

It might be contended that Trump has been conducting a radical lab experiment of his own, but it's scary in the different way of a dinosaur rolling back the clock. Whereas the Dem version is akin to space aliens terraforming the country in exotic, new ways (exciting perhaps, but also unpredictable in terms of what cliffs lie ahead). (Defiance)

No experiment. Just conservative governance with a spine. If you think that's the least bit scary, you're completely out of touch. Obama told Republicans, if they didn't like it, to win elections. Well, when Democrats call even decent and moderate Republicans racist, homophobic, etc., that's what you get. A guy who will call out leftist media, like Obama called out Fox News, and a guy who will say you're a bad person, like Obama did to Romney...while Romney only said Obama was inexperienced, mind you. It's called the authoritarian and regressive left for good reason.

The pro-Trump camp is honestly as bad as the anti-Trump one. Living in extremes often times doesn't allow us to be open minded to what ''the other side'' may have to offer. It just seems that we tend to interpret the news as it relates to our biases.

The Republican party is still ideologically where it's always been. It's only how far left Democrats have moved and an ignorance of history (where the left is now further from Obama in his first term than Obama was from Republicans) that would lead anyone to think otherwise. And the right has always understood the left better than vice versa, because the left dominates media, and you can't really escape their views. This has even been proven by studies.

In other news, in a discussion thread on SF, there are quite a few members there who honestly believe that all or most republicans are white supermacists. lol I mean, do they not personally know any decent people in their personal lives who politically, lean towards being a republican? It proves my point with what I've stated above, though - so many of us have such hardcore preexisting biases, that we simply can't see the opposing side(s) as anything other than an ''enemy.''

Projection. When leftist policies do the most harm to minorities (Obama didn't help them, but now we have historically low minority unemployment), their own guilt conscience makes them project more. As I just said, that blindness to the opposing side only really exists for the left. That's why they were so gobsmacked that Trump won.

[Leigha]

Projection. When leftist policies do the most harm to minorities (Obama didn't help them, but now we have historically low minority unemployment), their own guilt conscience makes them project more. As I just said, that blindness to the opposing side only really exists for the left. That's why they were so gobsmacked that Trump won.

You would get scolded on SF for suggesting that there are ''sides.''   Quite a few people there believe that the media is owned and operated by Republican party affiliates. I'm not sure where they get their information to that end. CNN, MSNBC, and other networks are not spewing ''Republican propaganda,'' which a few on SF seem to be suggesting. (and have accused me of being a victim of) 

I've come to the conclusion that many Democrats feel that if you're not on ''their side,'' then you're one of ''them,'' (translation: Republican) even if you don't identify as a Republican. If you don't agree with their politics, then you must be a white supremacist, or a ''right wingnut,'' or okay with misogyny. When did the Republican party become synonymous with white supremacy, misogyny and anti-diversity?

[Syne]

I've come to the conclusion that many Democrats feel that if you're not on ''their side,'' then you're one of ''them,'' (translation: Republican) even if you don't identify as a Republican. If you don't agree with their politics, then you must be a white supremacist, or a ''right wingnut,'' or okay with misogyny. When did the Republican party become synonymous with white supremacy, misogyny and anti-diversity?

Seems so. That the ones most supposedly against "othering" people are actually the worst perpetrators. Again, projecting their own ugliness. There's also an element for political desperation. many of those people legitimately thought that we'd never have another Republican president after Obama. Reality sucks for those who can't understand nor handle it.