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Weekend anti-Semitic stabbings & early aborted church shootings (religious community)

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Armed congregants kill gunman who shot 2 at Texas church
https://apnews.com/de8a2aebc6d95b9131a08975a5d881f9

EXCERPT: . . . A gunman who killed two people during a Texas church service was fatally shot within seconds by armed congregants, said state officials, who hailed the state’s gun laws that allow weapons in places of worship. More than 240 people were in the West Freeway Church of Christ in the Fort Worth-area town of White Settlement during Sunday’s shooting, authorities said.

Isabel Arreola told the Star-Telegram that she sat near the gunman and that she’d never seen him before Sunday’s service. She said he appeared to be wearing a disguise, perhaps a fake beard, and that he made her uncomfortable. She said the man stood up, pulled a shotgun from his clothing, opened fire and was quickly shot by two congregants who were part of a volunteer security team. “I was so surprised because I did not know that so many in the church were armed,” she said.

[...] At a news conference Sunday night, Texas Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick said the gunman was killed within six seconds of opening fire. Patrick hailed the state’s gun laws, including a measure enacted this year that affirmed the right of licensed handgun holders to carry a weapon in places of worship, unless the facility bans them.

That law was passed in the aftermath of the deadliest mass shooting in Texas history, which was also at a church. In the 2017 massacre at First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, a man who opened fire on a Sunday morning congregation killed more than two dozen people. He later killed himself.

Patrick said the two congregants who drew their weapons saved “untold number of lives.” Britt Farmer, senior minister of the church, said, “We lost two great men today, but it could have been a lot worse.” (MORE - details)



Monsey stabbing: NYC mayor vows action on anti-Semitism 'crisis'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50938507

EXCERPT: New York Mayor Bill de Blasio has announced a series of measures to tackle a "crisis" of anti-Semitic attacks, following a mass stabbing. Mr de Blasio said security would be stepped up in Jewish areas and schools would teach students to tackle hate. At least five people were injured in the knife attack at a rabbi's house in New York state on Saturday. Witnesses said the attacker burst into the house in Monsey, north of New York City, which was hosting a Hanukkah celebration, pulled out a large knife and began stabbing people.

The suspected knifeman, named by police as Grafton Thomas, 37, of Greenwood Lake, New York, has been charged with attempted murder. He pleaded not guilty, and is being held in jail with his bail set at $5m (£3.8m). On Sunday night, his lawyer Michael Sussman issued a statement on behalf of his family which said Mr Thomas "has a long history of mental illness and hospitalisations". "He has no history of like violent acts and no convictions for any crime," it said. "He has no known history of anti-Semitism and was raised in a home which embraced and respected all religions and races. He is not a member of any hate groups."

Just a day before the attack, Mr de Blasio had announced extra police patrols in three areas of Brooklyn with large Jewish populations following a spate of anti-Semitic incidents. "The spirit we bring today is one of resolve and relentlessness. We will keep adding as many measures as it takes to end this crisis," he told reporters on Sunday.

[...] Mr de Blasio said changes would be made to the curriculum at schools in Brooklyn starting from next month. He said they would focus on "stopping hate... on building mutual respect, to help young people understand what hate crimes really mean and the dangers they pose to all of us".

[...] In Israel, President Reuven Rivlin expressed his "shock and outrage" at the attack. Steve Gold from the Jewish Federation in Rockland County said the US had failed the Jewish community. ... On Friday New York city police's hate crimes unit said it was investigating eight anti-Semitic incidents reported since 13 December.

They included a threat by a man who walked into an Orthodox Jewish community organisation's headquarters in Brooklyn and threatened to shoot someone. In another incident a 30-year-old woman reportedly slapped three women in the face. New York Police Department commissioner Dermot Shea has said hate crimes in New York City are up 22% this year. ... In April a gunman killed a female rabbi and wounded three people at a synagogue in San Diego. That attack came exactly six months after the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in US history, when a gunman killed 11 worshippers at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh. (MORE - details)
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Quote:I did not know that so many in the church were armed


Including bad guys. But does she know God exists? I'll wager she does. 

When I first heard of this shooting I was watching the News with my wife and remember saying, " Why in hell does it matter what f**king religion a person is"? Personally I couldn't care less, would never walk into someone's church and open fire but I'm not mentally ill enough to do such a thing either. Frustrating part is that once there, you can't hide. However you can help prevent or lessen the odds of being shot for religious reasons, or for being in church, simply by keeping belief to yourself and not attending. Same goes for atheists staying away from potential volatility and just keeping it to yourself. If there's more of a likelihood to be shot for exposing one's beliefs or lack of beliefs to the world then why do it if you can help it? You'd think God would understand.

It's like knowing your in crocodile infested waters and then swimming there, it's risky business.  Rolleyes
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Everything I've heard about the Texas church shooting indicates the guy was a transient, with a history of problems and no ideological motive.

Five seconds. That's all the guy got, because people were armed. If they had to wait for the police, many more would be dead.
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More guns at a church service than an NRA meeting. Does having everybody armed make it safer?
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(Dec 31, 2019 12:52 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: More guns at a church service than an NRA meeting. Does having everybody armed make it safer?

Certainly it would be asking for trouble if a church is frequented by rival gang members in bad neighborhoods or hot-headed families with grudges against whoever or those engaged in bitter divorce battles. (As if churches in Texas don't search at the door for guns carried by those without license or lack grounds for denying the privilege to some regulars who are legal.)

But aside from that... I guess one could contend that if an armed member of a church went bonkers, or was extremely drunk/high, or had an adolescent mentality, or had acquired an angry vendetta against life, and started shooting... That the others would quickly dispatch him like this guy.

Problem is, "normal attendee going haywire" would be an extra, potential menace -- that the establishment otherwise wouldn't have -- tacked onto the stray nutcases wandering in with a weapon. It has to be weighed against how likely a a particular mellow church would ever be visited by the latter to begin over years/decades versus how likely armed regular participants in the congregation could flip-out. The chance of outsider threats would usually seem pretty low, apart from a region or the whole country degenerating into a quarreling and terrorist militant zone of rebels and zealots.
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