Why did the female orgasm evolve? Experiment supports theory

[Syne]

Nature seems to have arranged it so women have sex because they enjoy it - babies are (may be) an unintended consequence.
Possible unintended family size limitation once the first child is old enough to dial 911 and report that daddy is killing mommy.

Yep. There’s a maternal instinct once you have a child, but evolution ensures that we want sex, not babies.

I don’t think that women are judging what kind of provider you’d be, though. They’re just trying to figure out if they want to sleep with you or not, and most of the time that is just based on whether or not they are attracted to you and feel comfortable with you. Just think of how many questions we have to ask ourselves. The first and foremost, is he going to harm me?

I was thinking about that video that Syne posted. Even as a female, I can’t see myself approaching someone that I don’t know to ask her if she wanted to be friends, much less to sleep with me. You’d have to be on your toes, that's for sure, because stupidity is a huge turn off. Women want someone with equal or higher intelligence. Oh, sure, men say they do but only in theory. Most men feel threatened.

My friends and I were taking selfies when we were out hiking a few weeks ago. We were messing around with that snapchat filter that turns you into a man. It’s really weird and it does make you look like a guy. We were cracking up. All of us looked like our sons but I was the only one that everyone said that they would…well, you know. 

I’d be a really hot guy. A little short for a man, perhaps, but I’d know exactly what to say and not to say.

Prime example of why only a foolish man would trust a woman's advise on women.

First, she denies that women have a "biological clock" pertaining to children. Now maybe she had babies before her clock started ticking, and as with most women, their own experience can take priority, even over decades of experience reported by other women. Or just issues with her mother.
Then one wonders if she could even articulate what constitutes "attractive" and "comfortable". Probably something nebulous that would completely miss the underlying evolutionary psychology. But, we can see why she might not want to be too self-reflective, when there's some reason she sizes up all men for danger.
Women are hypergamous, so they don't want someone of equal or higher intelligence unless that translates to status. Women play this game with themselves where they picture a high status man and then tell you what other traits they'd like him to have, leaving out that those traits alone don't mean shit in a low status man. Men can want more intelligent women, especially if that intelligence doesn't translate to higher status than his own (hypogamy). Intelligence without higher status is no threat.

And imagining she'd know what to say.
Go ahead, give us a pickup line. Or even just tell us what makes for something good to say. Does she even know what makes it good?

[Leigha]

I'm currently following a series called ''Being Mary Jane,'' which is primarily about an African American woman who is looking for love, but tends to end up with emotionally unavailable, or married men. She is very independent, and accomplished, as are the men she attracts, but in the end...she wants a man to want her...to desire her. To initiate and ''chase her.'' As strong and independent as she is, she wants to be sought after. As a woman, I find that trait to be attractive in a guy.

What's interesting to note, in the show, she has a friend who married beneath her status - she comes from a wealthy family and he was somewhat of a bum. However, she ''builds him up,'' and he eventually becomes a lawyer. In one scene, she reminds him, ''I made you who you are.'' Yet, he doesn't like the fact that she doesn't seem to love him for him...that she felt the need to ''build him to a higher status'' so she could feel good about being with him.

It seems to be a theme in many relationships. Certainly, not all, though. Relationships aren't so cut and dry...different qualities attract different people.

[Secular Sanity]

Prime example of why only a foolish man would trust a woman's advise on women.

Go ahead, give us a pickup line. Or even just tell us what makes for something good to say. Does she even know what makes it good?

Well, first of all, I said that I looked like my son. He doesn’t have to approach women. They chase after him. I don’t think that he’s ever even had to ask someone out on a date.

Oh, right, I forgot. You’re the expert and according to you, women enjoy being on an emotional rollercoaster.

I’ll read up on that. Thanks, little buddy. 

How to use emotional spiking to get laid.

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She is very independent, and accomplished, as are the men she attracts, but in the end...she wants a man to want her...to desire her. To initiate and ''chase her.'' As strong and independent as she is, she wants to be sought after. As a woman, I find that trait to be attractive in a guy.

"The happiness of man is: I will. The happiness of woman is: he wills."—Nietzsche

There’s a lot of "he wills" out there. They’re easy to come by.

[Syne]

Prime example of why only a foolish man would trust a woman's advise on women.

Go ahead, give us a pickup line. Or even just tell us what makes for something good to say. Does she even know what makes it good?

Well, first of all, I said that I looked like my son. He doesn’t have to approach women. They chase after him. I don’t think that he’s ever even had to ask someone out on a date.

And who said you were giving your son advice on women? O_o

Oh, right, I forgot. You’re the expert and according to you, women enjoy being on an emotional rollercoaster.

I’ll read up on that. Thanks, little buddy. 

How to use emotional spiking to get laid.

See, you can't even manage to differentiate between why guys sometimes act goofy around women and trying to get laid.

[Secular Sanity]

We need one of those *whoosh* over your head emojis for you.

[Syne]

Nah, you just imagine you're more clever than you actually are. It's sad.

[confused2]

IMHO just two teaspoonsfull would have been quite sufficient - there was no need to add the whole packet.

[C C]

(criticism) A Frank look at female orgasms and rabbits
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuros...d-rabbits/

INTRO: A very weak paper in PNAS has attracted some attention lately: An experimental test of the ovulatory homolog model of female orgasm. The paper aims to be a test of the hypothesis that the human female orgasm is a kind of evolutionary relic from an earlier stage in evolution. In humans, ovulation happens on a monthly cycle and is not related to sexual activity. However, in some mammal species, such as rabbits, ovulation is triggered by sex (or copulation, as biologists say). In the new paper, authors Mihaela Pavlicev et al. argue that humans evolved from animals with copulation-induced ovulation (CIO), which later became the female orgasm.

The female orgasm being notoriously mysterious, you can see why this idea has made headlines, but unfortunately the evidence in the paper is extremely thin... (MORE)

[Secular Sanity]

Speaking of which, I just watched that movie about Michalina Wisłocka. I enjoyed it. It was worth watching.

"In her version of Michalina Wisłocka’s biography, Maria Sadowska chooses to talk about sex without exaggeration, shy blushing or provocative intent. She does not judge her characters, or moralise over their sometimes questionable choices. In "The Art of Loving," sex is neither good nor bad, it’s just a part of everyday life. The story of the famous Polish gynaecologist and sexologist, whose lifestyle guidebook "The Art of Loving" sold over 7 million copies in the 1970s, is a straightforward story about a person whose body and soul are connected into one, indivisible whole."

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/aBE_8mtcVcs

[C C]

Speaking of which, I just watched that movie about Michalina Wisłocka. I enjoyed it. It was worth watching.

"In her version of Michalina Wisłocka’s biography, Maria Sadowska chooses to talk about sex without exaggeration, shy blushing or provocative intent. She does not judge her characters, or moralise over their sometimes questionable choices. In "The Art of Loving," sex is neither good nor bad, it’s just a part of everyday life. The story of the famous Polish gynaecologist and sexologist, whose lifestyle guidebook "The Art of Loving" sold over 7 million copies in the 1970s, is a straightforward story about a person whose body and soul are connected into one, indivisible whole."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBE_8mtcVcs

Thanks. Somebody to give Irina Margareta Nistor company in terms of another public pioneer or underground rebel behind the historic Iron Curtain that I might remember. 

If I wind up watching it somewhere besides an evening television session that doesn't have a circus going on in the background, I'll have to re-condition myself to constantly stare at a one screen for two hours so I don't miss the subtitles. Before multitasking and other forms of juggling became endemic, it was a breeze for me to watch foreign films. I liked hearing the actors' original voices and mocked people who wanted them dubbed. Now it's gradually become the opposite of passing over films and tv shows that I can't turn away from for a minute or two on another floating, pinned window or tab and still follow what's going on via the audio conversations.