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Mexico demands protections for Mexicans in US

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Mexican government says it will seek extradition of El Paso shooter
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingn...li=BBnb7Kz

INTRO: The Mexican government said it will seek access into the U.S. investigation against the man accused of shooting and killing 20 people at a Walmart store on Saturday, including at least six Mexican nationals. But it's unclear how seriously U.S. prosecutors will take into account Mexico's demands.

The country's Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard outlined a six-point plan on Sunday afternoon, just hours after they revised the number of Mexican nationals killed in the mass shooting in El Paso to six. In addition to greater access into the investigation, he said the Mexican government will ask the country's Attorney General to evaluate whether to seek the extradition of the shooter to Mexico on terrorism charges. "We consider this act to be an act of terrorism against the Mexican American community and Mexican nationals in the U.S.,” he said. (MORE)

After El Paso Attack, Mexico Demands Protections for Mexicans in the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/world...-paso.html

INTRO: Mexico demanded protections for Mexicans and Mexican-Americans living in the United States and threatened legal action on Sunday, a day after the shooting at an El Paso Walmart that left Mexican citizens among the dead and wounded. Mexican authorities could seek to extradite the gunman on a terrorism charge and were planning legal action against the seller who provided the shooter with his weapon, said the foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard. “We consider that the issue of arms is crucial,” he said.

The gunman who killed 20 in Saturday’s attack wrote an anti-immigrant manifesto that spoke of a “Hispanic invasion of Texas,” and many Mexicans saw the shooting as an expression of the tensions simmering between the United States and Mexico over immigration, guns and violence. These tensions are often fueled by President Trump in divisive invectives that target Mexicans, Central Americans and others, and speak of migrant caravans as “an invasion of our country.”

“Xenophobic and racist discourse breeds hate crimes,” Martha Bárcena, the Mexican ambassador to the United States, said over Twitter. “Hispanic communities contribute enormously to the American society. We have to work for a respectful and compassionate dialogue between our countries and communities.” (MORE)

Mexico threatens legal action over deaths of six citizens in El Paso massacre
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/sto...g-massacre

EXCERPT: “Mexico expresses its deepest rejection and condemnation towards this barbaric act where innocent Mexicans lost their lives,” Marcelo Ebrard said in a video posted on Twitter. “What happened is inadmissible, and I’ll be announcing the first legal steps we’ve taken in accordance with international law.”

Some noted with irony that El Paso is generally viewed as a low-crime safe haven compared with its Mexican sister city, Ciudad Juarez, which has long been plagued by cartel wars — and became infamous for mostly unsolved murders of women and images of gang victims’ remains hung from bridges. Many Juarez residents with means have relocated to El Paso and purchased homes there. But both El Paso and Juarez residents interviewed here seemed to suggest that Saturday’s carnage would not change their travel routines.

[...] “A lot of people think it was Trump who incited all this,” said Jesus Perez, 47, a maintenance man at the bus stop. “He’s saying all this stuff to win votes, but it drives some people to do crazy things.” Angel Carrillo, 25, agreed. “If your president says that immigrants are garbage of course some people will believe that,” said Carrillo, who works in one of this city’s many export-oriented factories — mostly low-wage establishments geared toward the U.S. market — and was returning from a shopping trip in El Paso. “They will act on his views.” Added Stefany Sanchez, an El Paso high school student to who came to Juarez for a party: “It was a racist attack against Hispanics, without doubt, by people who support Trump.”

Still, life appeared normal here in Ciudad Juarez a day after the shooting. Authorities had not officially named the slain Mexican citizens, and some were seeking missing loved ones in social media posts. (MORE)
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Syne Offline
Were they here legally?
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billvon Offline
(Aug 5, 2019 04:09 AM)Syne Wrote: Were they here legally?

Doesn't really matter.  Our justice system (and I believe Mexico's as well) define murder as killing of a person, not a citizen.
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(Aug 5, 2019 04:09 AM)Syne Wrote: Were they here legally?

If a US citizen is a victim of crime overseas, the local US Consulate often takes an official interest. So it's reasonable to see a Mexican Consulate doing the same here. The rest of the Mexican media ranting is merely their politicians posturing for the cameras.

The question for the US is what role to give the Mexican government in the legal proceedings that transpire. I'd say that if the Mexican individuals weren't in the US legally, then I don't think that the US should cooperate officially with the Mexicans or give their diplomats any special access to or role in the legal proceedings here. If the Mexicans were legally in the United States, then give Mexican Consulate officials the same courtesies as Mexico gives US Consulate officials in Mexico when the situation is reversed.

I would guess that in this El Paso thing, where several of the dead are Mexican nationals, those individuals may vary in legal status. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the shoppers in this border city mall were day trippers resident in Juarez across the border, enjoying the better shopping in the US. Others might have been expats who were legal long-term residents of El Paso. And others may indeed have been illegals.
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Syne Offline
Who said murder was defined as the killing of a citizen?! O_o

I assume that foreign consulates are kept in the loop on things like this, but the idea of extraditing a criminal who also killed US citizens on US soil (much less them suing the gun seller) sounds like nonsense. Now, if all the victims were Mexican nationals, they might have an argument for extradition, but Mexican US citizens are no longer the legal responsibility of Mexico.
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