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Should We Fear Artificial Intelligence?

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cluelusshusbund Offline
(Apr 9, 2015 07:48 PM)Yazata Wrote: We will start to have problems when the AI that's driving robots turns into a human-style general purpose cognizer, able to think about any subject, equipped with an innate sense of self-interest and with the ability to form desires and to create its own plans of action.  

Perhaps the scariest thing about less capable robots near-term is their ability to displace lesser-skilled workers from their jobs. In a generation, the majority of the US population might be unemployed, replaced by in many cases by machines.

Yes it may not be pretty for the last of the humans/those who resist change... but i suspect they will be taken care of an alowed to live out ther biological life wit dignity... mayb even beter than what occurs in todays nursin homes.!!! 
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stryder Offline
(Apr 9, 2015 07:48 PM)Yazata Wrote: Perhaps the scariest thing about less capable robots near-term is their ability to displace lesser-skilled workers from their jobs. In a generation, the majority of the US population might be unemployed, replaced by in many cases by machines.

I considered this point in regards to an story backlog for a game that hasn't been created yet.  Set in the future when robots are more acceptable in the workplace for their unwaivering support of hard-working ethos, through the absence of being aware.  The world's level of unemployment rockets where only those skilled in Engineering and Programming have the capacity to "maintain" those robots that are in use 24/7.  The only potential for those that don't want to be flat broke is to buy a robot (or more than one) and sublease them to companies that then fill their production lines with robots that act as serogate workers on behalf of those people renting leasing out.

If you haven't the skills to be useful to robotics, then you just need to invest in ownership of robotics to secure an income.  That income of course isn't limited to a 8-10hr day (or greater in some cases) but potentially for as long as the production line runs (that could be 23.85714285714286/7, or one hour maintenance per week)  This would mean that robots would be literally the cheapest form of labour because they don't have to sleep, eat or use the toilet.  They don't tire or suffer atrophy in the same sense that would cause a degrading in performance.  There isn't any litigation caused by work related fraternisation, no change in the workplaces collective consciousness if the company is ever brought into disrepute or boards on a hostile takeover or bankruptcy.  (To a fault those production lines would maintain their flow against any adversity.  They'd be no labour unions, no strikes for rights or upset caused by employee layoffs.)

That said one man and his droid... army (an entire workforce) could close down a production line until either the production line is replaced by someone else's robotics or whatever deal has been made.  One way of dealing with that particular problem is to limit the number of robots supplied by any individual to only a small number so a production system can work around a reduced processing capacity.


Robotics in the workplace (at least in that backlog scenario) is a future "rivot" in the depreciation of true social systems since it pushes society further into using the internet as it's only forms of social interaction.  Which itself would likely be policed by automation looking for peoples inner terrorist to the fault of their parameters, handling grammar and spell checks and near enough writing what we want to hear when we push a button. 

You might surprised how many times you can get the result you are looking for from Google without actually typing in proper words.  It's search algorithm doesn't just search a "term" but approximates and can even use previously tracked searches [and possibly websites through adsense] as references to increase the correct yield.  This can lead to some very lazy typing and searches.

In short your kids could protect their future if they study Computer Sciences and Engineering or just start buying Robotic company stock or stockpile robots themselves.
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Yazata Offline
Will robots be general purpose humanoid machines able to perform any task we give them? Will robots be interchangeable so that they can be moved around from task to task? Will they be fungible in the sense that water is, where if you take a drink of water, it doesn't matter precisely which water molecules you get? If you need a task done, get a robot, it doesn't matter which one.

Or will robots be special-purpose machines designed to do particular tasks, like the industrial robots of today?

When I was thinking of lesser skilled workers being put out of work, I wasn't thinking of the movie I Robot. I was thinking of replacing McDonalds counter workers with an order pad or keyboard, and replacing the cooks in the back with a burger-grilling machine. So you place your order and pay your money to the order machine, and get your completed burger through a little door at the counter.

Self-driving cars are coming soon, and perhaps self-flying airliners not too long after. (Especially after that Germanwings thing.) There are going to be military combat robots. Warehouse robots are already here. Medical robots are coming. Scivillage already has a thread about investment robots. I can imagine fire-fighting robots. There's no end to it...

There are certainly arguments to be made for the general purpose one-robot-does-all vision. It would make the economy a lot more flexible. If you have a new task, you wouldn't need to design a new robot, just update the software on an existing one.

So it may be coming, but not in my lifetime.

It's those general purpose robots that threaten to become dangerous. If they are so flexible that they can think about any subject that humans can (without having a lot of new software downloaded), if they have a built-in sense of self interest along with their own desires and the ability to plot their own future courses of action, I can see them eventually tiring of their servile lot and rebelling against the humans that created them.

But it's probably an error to imagine that because a robot has a humanoid shape, that it has a human-like psychology to go along with it. I think that it will be a long time before we reproduce anything like ourselves in a machine.
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cluelusshusbund Offline
(Apr 11, 2015 07:33 PM)Yazata Wrote:  I think that it will be a long time before we reproduce anything like ourselves in a machine.

We are prolly both over 60 but likely have several years left... an from here on out... i dout that a year goes by that we ant more an more amazed by the advances in AI an the likelihood of exponential advances in AI... an i thank thers a good chance we will glimpse the reality that AI will becom indistinguishable from human intelegence... an that AI robots coud be made which are "indistinguishable" from biological humans.!!!
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