Random thoughts/comments

[Syne]

Do Trump supporters want Trump's policies or just Trump at any price? It swings the other way when there are people that want anything but Trump - also at any price.

Many who didn't vote for Trump in 2016 did in 2020, because while they didn't know what his actually policies would be then, they do now. The problem with divorcing Trump from his policies is that few, if any, others could/would have accomplished half of what he has. Many presidents, of both parties, promised to move the US embassy to Jerusalem, and struggled to get even a single peace deal in the Middle East, where Trump got many. No Republican has stood up to the leftist media and Democrat lies (but I repeat myself) and got them to drop their mask of supposed objectivity like Trump has.

The left are the only ones wanting to get rid of Trump at any price, including election fraud.

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Trump didn’t seek counsel from those around him during his Presidency, he always knew better than everyone else.

A leader that only surrounds himself with “yes people” will not last. But he won’t concede to his shortcomings and will go on to make the same mistakes.

Are you kidding me? He couldn't have accomplished half as much without the trusting counsel of people who know more than him. He's said as much, many times. And that necessitates not all being "yes people". Don't believe the media lies about people he's fired. And executive has to cut anyone who won't support the company mission. And there's no indication that Trump doesn't learn from failure, just like every successful businessman must.

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There's nothing charismatic about a 74-year-old frat boy. Pretty much every Trump supporter I've encountered has more or less indicated they don't care for the history of his personal behavior, although they do like the way he bluntly speaks his mind without any PC mediation.

After so many decades of swamp politicians, honesty, itself, is charismatic. And your characterization of a "frat boy" is pretty out of touch with a very wide swath of working class Americans. What about being willing to fight back against lies and honesty is especially indicative of a frat boy?

MAGA folk don't trust Wisdom Kings who want the masses to listen to what they want. MAGA folk instead want the opposite. That informal, anti-intellectual orientation is what helped get Bush elected, too.

No, they want people who reflect the will of the people. It isn't especially anti-intellectual so much as it is anti-elitist.

In this election, it was stupid of Trump beforehand to gradually select slash weed-out everyone until he only had an entourage of sycophants. Listening to advice over the last week to keep a low profile and let the legal technicians futilely try to rescue him from the voting results is just a "too late" nugget added to the heap of disaster.

Where do you get the notion that he was told to lay low or that it had any effect after the election? What, would his presence have kept fewer illegitimate ballots from being counted?

[Magical Realist]

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[C C]

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There could even be a whole new, groundbreaking, overlapping 4th category circle added before it's all over with it. Probably won't happen, though. The writing is on the wall and the speculative talk of running in 2024 leans toward the "suggested" peaceful exit of a FOX interview back in June: "Certainly, if I don't win, I don't win." The president added he would "go on, do other things."

History-wise, a First Lady is as close as it ever got. A grieving Mary Todd was somewhat tardy about leaving the White House: "In the meantime, the first lady's mourning period in a home that was no longer hers stretched from days to weeks, her inertia in part stemming to her belief that she had nowhere to go. [...] On May 23, five weeks after Abraham's death ... Mary finally departed the White House and boarded a train with Robert, Tad, Keckly and two guards."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...inner.html

"The President has stayed behind closed doors and has only been seen in public twice since the election 10 days ago. President Donald Trump is plotting another White House run in 2024. Odds of Trump overturning Joe Biden's win in election getting slimmer."

[Zinjanthropos]

Seriously, if Trump support finds voter fraud then are we supposed to believe it’s the first time it ever happened? Why didn’t Hilary use the same excuse in 2016?

[Leigha]

What I find unsettling is, if there is proof of even just one county committing voter fraud, why wouldn’t that trigger a mandatory recount for that entire state? Not a Trump fan but if Biden falsely “won” the election, that’s depressing.

[Magical Realist]

What I find unsettling is, if there is proof of even just one county committing voter fraud, why wouldn’t that trigger a mandatory recount for that entire state? Not a Trump fan but if Biden falsely “won” the election, that’s depressing.

Whatever is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[C C]

Seriously, if Trump support finds voter fraud then are we supposed to believe it’s the first time it ever happened? Why didn’t Hilary use the same excuse in 2016?

This stuff is over as far as it working for Trump anymore than it has any other candidate in the past. It's akin to trying to get the NFL to overturn a Superbowl win via contending there was a bad call in the final minute of the game. The "defy the odds" and "get away with _X_" surprises in the bag of Trump's political career have been exhausted. His refusing to leave office would be the only ground-breaker in terms of stunts, and that doesn't seem likely despite the months-long Democrat hype about the possibility. This isn't a Latin American country or places like Russia, so it would be a fail right of the gate, anyway.

[Leigha]

What I find unsettling is, if there is proof of even just one county committing voter fraud, why wouldn’t that trigger a mandatory recount for that entire state? Not a Trump fan but if Biden falsely “won” the election, that’s depressing.

Whatever is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

I thought over 100 poll workers signed documents alleging potential fraudulent behaviors. I guess evidence is subjective

[Magical Realist]

I thought over 100 poll workers signed documents alleging potential fraudulent behaviors.

Potential fraudulent behavior isn't evidence.

[Leigha]

I thought over 100 poll workers signed documents alleging potential fraudulent behaviors.

Potential fraudulent behavior isn't evidence.

True, but do you believe all of their allegations were investigated? Seems like we went from hearing about Trump’s lawyers getting involved to investigate fraud to “there’s no evidence of fraud.”