Random thoughts/comments

[Secular Sanity]

Not in the pursuit of freedom. In the defense of those very lives. The defense of life is self-justified.

Do your homework. Hit the history books and restore your integrity.

A proper debate requires honesty.

Until then...

[Syne]

Not in the pursuit of freedom. In the defense of those very lives. The defense of life is self-justified.

Do your homework. Hit the history books and restore your integrity.

A proper debate requires honesty.

Until then...

Back to your dismissal without any argument, I see. Everyone can see when you're getting backed into a corner, as your posts get shorter and shorter as you're forced to ignore more and more arguments you can't refute. It's sad and predictable.

[Secular Sanity]

Not in the pursuit of freedom. In the defense of those very lives. The defense of life is self-justified.

Do your homework. Hit the history books and restore your integrity.

A proper debate requires honesty.

Until then...

Back to your dismissal without any argument, I see. Everyone can see when you're getting backed into a corner, as your posts get shorter and shorter as you're forced to ignore more and more arguments you can't refute. It's sad and predictable.

I can but is it worth the time and effort to dispute someone that makes false allegations and outright lies?

[Leigha]

If we believe that life only begins and matters outside of the womb, why do so many women (emotionally) struggle with the decision to abort? No right or wrong answer, I’m genuinely wondering why that is.

Using the military to defend our freedoms, that argument. If we no longer engaged in wars and did away with our military, how would that change the abortion discussion?

[Secular Sanity]

If we believe that life only begins and matters outside of the womb, why do so many women (emotionally) struggle with the decision to abort? No right or wrong answer, I’m genuinely wondering why that is.

I don't think anyone is denying that it's a potential human being.

[Leigha]

If we believe that life only begins and matters outside of the womb, why do so many women (emotionally) struggle with the decision to abort? No right or wrong answer, I’m genuinely wondering why that is.

I don't think anyone is denying that it's a potential human being.

Okay, there’s common ground then. 

I was reading about the Libertarian party and its abortion stance. Basically, libertarians consider it to be a matter of individual conscience, and that the government shouldn’t be involved. No subsidies, no regulations. What do you all think of that?

[Syne]

Not in the pursuit of freedom. In the defense of those very lives. The defense of life is self-justified.

Do your homework. Hit the history books and restore your integrity.

A proper debate requires honesty.

Until then...

Back to your dismissal without any argument, I see. Everyone can see when you're getting backed into a corner, as your posts get shorter and shorter as you're forced to ignore more and more arguments you can't refute. It's sad and predictable.

I can but is it worth the time and effort to dispute someone that makes false allegations and outright lies?

You keep saying that, but it would always take you less time to support your own argument than you waste whining about what your time is worth. You whine about it that much.

But we all know that's just how you beg off.

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Leigha, notice how SS completely avoided your question about how wars relate to abortion. That's because they don't, and that argument is only a red herring (that didn't pay off).

If we believe that life only begins and matters outside of the womb, why do so many women (emotionally) struggle with the decision to abort? No right or wrong answer, I’m genuinely wondering why that is.

I don't think anyone is denying that it's a potential human being.

I don't think anyone is denying that it's a potential human being.

Okay, there’s common ground then. 

Watch it, Leigha. SS thinks sperm is a "potential human being". So she's about to ask you why you don't outlaw masturbation or some other red herring.

[Secular Sanity]

Leigha, notice how SS completely avoided your question about how wars relate to abortion. That's because they don't, and that argument is only a red herring (that didn't pay off).

Freedom. The fight for freedom.

Do your homework, restore your integrity and then I'll continue.

[Leigha]

I'm coming in the middle of this discussion, so my questions might seem redundant. How does abortion bring freedom? Freedom for who? Unfortunately, modern day feminism equates ''freedom'' with living like men. Biologically, we're different, and we'll never be able to walk away from unwanted pregnancies in the same way men do. I don't judge anyone who has an abortion, let me be clear on that. It's not my place to judge, but when federal funding comes into play, I think that's where the conversation goes from a ''woman's right to choose,'' to imposing that view on everyone. That would be like mandating a particular religion, and everyone must send their tax dollars to support that one religion. I'm failing to see how that brings freedom.

Again, no right or wrong answers! lol I'm just looking to better understand another side of the argument.

[Syne]

Leigha, notice how SS completely avoided your question about how wars relate to abortion. That's because they don't, and that argument is only a red herring (that didn't pay off).

Freedom. The fight for freedom.

Do your homework, restore your integrity and then I'll continue.

Ah, now SS has move on to posting links to irrelevant posts in other, unrelated threads. Typical and predictable. Notice zero argument and only bare assertion.

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I'm coming in the middle of this discussion, so my questions might seem redundant. How does abortion bring freedom? Freedom for who? Unfortunately, modern day feminism equates ''freedom'' with living like men. Biologically, we're different, and we'll never be able to walk away from unwanted pregnancies in the same way men do. I don't judge anyone who has an abortion, let me be clear on that. It's not my place to judge, but when federal funding comes into play, I think that's where the conversation goes from a ''woman's right to choose,'' to imposing that view on everyone. That would be like mandating a particular religion, and everyone must send their tax dollars to support that one religion. I'm failing to see how that brings freedom.

Abortion ends all freedom of the baby, but SS thinks it brings the woman freedom from any consequences for her own choices. Even compared to men, who are forced to be financially responsible for their unwanted children, this freedom of women from the consequences of their own choices is not equal.