Random thoughts/comments

[Leigha]

If he governs in a moderate way, he can please more people than if he leans far left. I’m under the impression that he is a “reach across the aisle” politician, which Trump didn’t do. Trump alienated the left from the beginning calling it “a swamp.” He had some good policies that went through despite the left, but as the POTUS, you have to be a diplomat - and work together with those who oppose you, not make fun of them on Twitter and in press conferences.

So, I’m cautiously optimistic. But if Biden imposes higher taxes on corporations, we will see a lot of layoffs. More than we are already experiencing. I’m not sure why he would do that but it’s part of his/Harris’ plan.

But at his age, suppose he doesn’t make it through four years. I don’t get the sense that Harris will be in the shadows as VP - so we need to pay attention to her values, as well.

[Zinjanthropos]

If he governs in a moderate way, he can please more people than if he leans far left. I’m under the impression that he is a “reach across the aisle” politician, which Trump didn’t do. Trump alienated the left from the beginning calling it “a swamp.” He had some good policies that went through despite the left, but as the POTUS, you have to be a diplomat - and work together with those who oppose you, not make fun of them on Twitter and in press conferences.

So, I’m cautiously optimistic. But if Biden imposes higher taxes on corporations, we will see a lot of layoffs. More than we are already experiencing. I’m not sure why he would do that but it’s part of his/Harris’ plan.

But at his age, suppose he doesn’t make it through four years. I don’t get the sense that Harris will be in the shadows as VP - so we need to pay attention to her values, as well.

Aren't you making him seem like Trump already. He's not a dictator. My impression of a POTUS would be like an individual who chairs a meeting, listens to arguments, keeps order and stays out of any vote unless there's a tie. Like Robert's Rules of Business/Meetings. Pretty  simple

[Leigha]

If he governs in a moderate way, he can please more people than if he leans far left. I’m under the impression that he is a “reach across the aisle” politician, which Trump didn’t do. Trump alienated the left from the beginning calling it “a swamp.” He had some good policies that went through despite the left, but as the POTUS, you have to be a diplomat - and work together with those who oppose you, not make fun of them on Twitter and in press conferences.

So, I’m cautiously optimistic. But if Biden imposes higher taxes on corporations, we will see a lot of layoffs. More than we are already experiencing. I’m not sure why he would do that but it’s part of his/Harris’ plan.

But at his age, suppose he doesn’t make it through four years. I don’t get the sense that Harris will be in the shadows as VP - so we need to pay attention to her values, as well.

Aren't you making him seem like Trump already. He's not a dictator. My impression of a POTUS would be like an individual who chairs a meeting, listens to arguments, keeps order and stays out of any vote unless there's a tie. Like Robert's Rules of Business/Meetings. Pretty  simple

I’m not making him sound like anything. I’m sharing what I’ve read about him and where that may lead. 

I’ve also stated that I’m under the impression that he reaches across the aisle. A dictator wouldn’t do that.

Anyway, we will have to wait and see.

[Zinjanthropos]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/07/opini...index.html

One loser hammers another.

[Syne]

I don’t support these agendas and I’m not excusing anyone. That’s not at all what I was getting at. What are you talking about?  Reread what I’ve posted. That passage from Romans doesn’t mean we stay complacent. That’s why we have wars (to protect and defend), activism, missions etc...

Since you didn't vote for the only guy who could stop those agendas, you did tacitly agree with them. Maybe you should have thought that through. No one said that Romans 13 said to be complacent, but you literally used it as an excuse of God ordaining it, e.g. "respect that He allowed that person into a leadership role". How do you respect that God placed a particular person in leadership but also protest them? The two are not compatible.

If you research that passage though, it doesn’t mean to respect only the governments you voted in to office. That’s the point of it. Why would Paul write a letter to the Romans telling them to respect only governments they voted in? No, it falls in line with love your enemies, pray for them.  Do your part in society to bring about the good you wish to see. That doesn’t rest on the government.

Who said ANYTHING about elected governments? No, it's isn't about loving your enemies. It's about the simple fact that governments wield the sword. They do so because the people allow it, whether explicitly (by voting) or implicitly (by not rebelling). It is this expression of the will of the people, not voting, that God has established. And it goes for everything from the most democratic to the most fascist governments. So yes, not the government per se, but the people, as expressed in government.

And pray that Biden leads righteously. Understand though that in a secular democracy, Biden is tasked with serving all Americans, many who aren’t believers. I don’t expect a secular President to govern according to the Bible. Leaders of churches, yes but the POTUS isn’t a spiritual leader. I do believe that Biden has a strong faith and maybe he wrestles with how to govern and stay true to his core beliefs. That’s why judging others as to condemn them is futile.

God has already answered that prayer in the negative. We do not expect secular politicians (the US is not a democrcy) to govern by the Bible, just basic morality, which includes not killing human beings, as defined by the science they falsely claim to follow. What you think of Biden's faith is your own gullibility.

If he governs in a moderate way, he can please more people than if he leans far left. I’m under the impression that he is a “reach across the aisle” politician, which Trump didn’t do. Trump alienated the left from the beginning calling it “a swamp.” He had some good policies that went through despite the left, but as the POTUS, you have to be a diplomat - and work together with those who oppose you, not make fun of them on Twitter and in press conferences.

Bullshit. Trump tried to negotiate with Pelosi and the Dems in good faith, while they wouldn't compromise at all. You need to get your head of the legacy media arse. Trump didn't call the left "a swamp", he called career politicians, on both sides, the swamp. Again, head in legacy media arse. It's been the left that has been divisive for four years, not Trump. He just didn't roll over and take all the lies told about him. And seeing at you just said politicians aren't spiritual leaders, you should understand why he didn't simply martyr himself with those lies.

Career politicians are diplomats because they lie. That's how you make lies palatable.

So, I’m cautiously optimistic. But if Biden imposes higher taxes on corporations, we will see a lot of layoffs. More than we are already experiencing. I’m not sure why he would do that but it’s part of his/Harris’ plan.

He's already said he's raising taxes on anyone earning more than $400k, which is every large employer in the country. He'll do it because he cares more about his party's agenda than the American people. That's how career politicians work.

But at his age, suppose he doesn’t make it through four years. I don’t get the sense that Harris will be in the shadows as VP - so we need to pay attention to her values, as well.

You should have been paying attention before you voted.

[Secular Sanity]

God doesn't absolve you of your culpability in supporting those who push immoral policies. How many babies must die before you realize you need to contribute to the solution? Your vote is how you get involved here. Hopefully God looks kindly on you throwing yours away.

Yeah, Leigha, you're in big trouble. God's gonna get 'cha for that.

[Leigha]

God doesn't absolve you of your culpability in supporting those who push immoral policies. How many babies must die before you realize you need to contribute to the solution? Your vote is how you get involved here. Hopefully God looks kindly on you throwing yours away.

Yeah, Leigha, you're in big trouble. God's gonna get 'cha for that.

lol I can’t even.

There is so much he doesn’t know but, he’s always approaching nearly everyone here with this idea that he knows us. He doesn’t. Coupled with not arguing points but chronically attacking the poster, I don’t feel any compelling reason to debate someone like this. *shrug*

Wait, aren’t you a misandrist? 



I guess my questions for someone like him are do you research companies where you shop, to see if they offer part of their profits to Planned Parenthood and the like? Do you boycott them once you learn that they do? Do you think men are just as responsible for abandoning the women they impregnate, as the women are considering abortion? Republicans don’t corner the market when it comes to the pro-life movement.

Anyway...

[Syne]

There is so much he doesn’t know but, he’s always approaching nearly everyone here with this idea that he knows us. He doesn’t. Coupled with not arguing points but chronically attacking the poster, I don’t feel any compelling reason to debate someone like this. *shrug*

You literally said you didn't vote Trump. He was the only viable guy on the ticket that would help protect babies. That's on you, no matter how much you squirm.

Wait, aren’t you a misandrist? 

She's literally said many misandrist things on this forum.

I guess my questions for someone like him are do you research companies where you shop, to see if they offer part of their profits to Planned Parenthood and the like? Do you boycott them once you learn that they do? Do you think men are just as responsible for abandoning the women they impregnate, as the women are considering abortion? Republicans don’t corner the market when it comes to the pro-life movement.

To the extent that I can still buy necessities, I do pay attention to those that overly support PP. Can't be helped what their employees donate their own money to. Yes, men are held responsible, and the law already holds them so, with child support and garnished wages. As I've said a million times, a woman can opt for an abortion, after deciding to have consensual sex, but a man has zero options after deciding to have consensual sex.

And yes, Republicans do corner the market on any significant group of votes to save babies.

[Leigha]

The government isn’t our savior. Not even close. So, I’m not squirming. Now that Trump is out, who should we turn to now to save the world?

The government is a facet of life but our culture has made it into a savior. Both Democrats and Republicans. I think people need to vote their conscience, but governments come and go.

And God’s grace saves (this is what Christians believe) that even our own supposed “righteous” deeds aren’t what brings abundant or eternal life. (Titus 3:1-15)

[Syne]

The government isn’t our savior. Not even close. So, I’m not squirming. Now that Trump is out, who should we  turn to now to save the world?

The government is a facet of life but our culture has made it into a savior. Both Democrats and Republicans. I think people need to vote their conscience, but governments come and go.

No one said any government or politician was a "savior". Why on earth would you bandy that word about?
Trump's not out yet, and you should be squirming for God's judgement of your supposed conscience, not a savior in this world.

Republican's won more state legislatures, which means more restrictions on abortion, being challenged in a conservative Supreme Court. Like it or not, the courts and the down ticket wins were due to Trump. He's accomplished an amazing amount. And god used him to show conservatives how to get things done.

You've compromised your conscience to you sensitivities. But that's okay. You're a woman. It's to be expected.