Thoughts on the soul

[Magical Realist]

For the third time, thus far completely ignored, assuming that they can have a direct effect on reality requires orders of magnitude more energy and a hitherto unknown means of energy transfer.

Yeah..imagine that..a soul having a hitherto unknown means of energy transfer. lol!

[Syne]

For the third time, thus far completely ignored, assuming that they can have a direct effect on reality requires orders of magnitude more energy and a hitherto unknown means of energy transfer.

Yeah..imagine that..a soul having a hitherto unknown means of energy transfer. lol!

Why is it you patently avoid the crux of any argument? It's trivial that a soul has an unknown means of energy manipulation, if not transfer, but only at the very minuscule energy of the brain. The means of energy transfer only becomes a significant issue where you're proposing a soul can manipulate orders of magnitude more energy. You go from saying the soul can manipulate synapses in a brain to directly throwing objects across the room. That simply does not follow, and your arduous avoidance illustrates that you have no argument but dogmatic belief.

[Magical Realist]

For the third time, thus far completely ignored, assuming that they can have a direct effect on reality requires orders of magnitude more energy and a hitherto unknown means of energy transfer.

Yeah..imagine that..a soul having a hitherto unknown means of energy transfer. lol!

Why is it you patently avoid the crux of any argument? It's trivial that a soul has an unknown means of energy manipulation, if not transfer, but only at the very minuscule energy of the brain. The means of energy transfer only becomes a significant issue where you're proposing a soul can manipulate orders of magnitude more energy. You go from saying the soul can manipulate synapses in a brain to directly throwing objects across the room. That simply does not follow, and your arduous avoidance illustrates that you have no argument but dogmatic belief.  

It does follow because that's what paranormal investigations show. On one occasion a heavy desk was flipped over on its side. Souls show the ability for powerful displays of force and energy. And they drain energy from batteries and from the air and from present individuals. We know this for a fact. Hence it is irrelevant if we don't know the method of energy transfer it uses.

https://www.nj.com/indulge/index.ssf/201..._drai.html

[Syne]

Why is it you patently avoid the crux of any argument? It's trivial that a soul has an unknown means of energy manipulation, if not transfer, but only at the very minuscule energy of the brain. The means of energy transfer only becomes a significant issue where you're proposing a soul can manipulate orders of magnitude more energy. You go from saying the soul can manipulate synapses in a brain to directly throwing objects across the room. That simply does not follow, and your arduous avoidance illustrates that you have no argument but dogmatic belief.  

It does follow because that's what paranormal investigations show. On one occasion a heavy desk was flipped over on its side. Souls show the ability for powerful displays of force and energy. And they drain energy from batteries and from the air and from present individuals. We know this for a fact.  Hence it is irrelevant if we don't know the method of energy transfer it uses.

No, saying "that's what paranormal investigations show" quite literally means it does not follow from simply the energy utilized by a brain. Just because a home outlet utilizes 120 volts does not mean that it follows that it can also utilize 1.21 gigawatts. The many orders of magnitude between the two makes it a totally preposterous assertion. As usual, you're tenuous grasp on definitions, like what constitutes fact, undermines any argument you make. As soon as you make a fact claim you open yourself up to the requirements of proof, which you also fail to comprehend. If you didn't make such silly claims, we could entertain it as a hypothetical, but your dogmatism precludes that.

Facts require that you be able to show the method of cause to effect, which is why I don't make such claims of souls...even though I do believe they exist. Facts cannot just be assumed, as that is begging the question.

[Magical Realist]

No, saying "that's what paranormal investigations show" quite literally means it does not follow from simply the energy utilized by a brain.

Yes it does. And we're not talking a brain here. We're talking a soul here, which has many sources of energy at its disposal including the quantum vacuum. It's a simple fact that a soul or ghost drains energy from camera batteries and people and the air to perform various physical acts. We see it in paranormal investigations. And there's nothing you can say that will change that. And no, I don't have to show how a soul does this. It's sufficient only to show that it does do this. We don't have to explain a phenomenon to acknowledge its existence.

[Syne]

No, saying "that's what paranormal investigations show" quite literally means it does not follow from simply the energy utilized by a brain.

Yes it does. And we're not talking a brain here. We're talking a soul here, which has many sources of energy at its disposal including the quantum vacuum. It's a simple fact that a soul or ghost drains energy from camera batteries and people and the air to perform various physical acts. We see it in paranormal investigations. And there's nothing you can say that will change that. And no, I don't have to show how a soul does this. It's sufficient only to show that it does do this. We don't have to explain a phenomenon to acknowledge its existence.

No, it doesn't.

Your OP started from the premise that the human brain consumes very little energy, lending plausibility to the possibility of being controlled by a soul, specifically due to the minute energy involved. No greater energy utilization, mush less direct manipulation without a body, follows from that. You seem to be completely ignorant to what it means for something to "follow" as a logical consequence, without begging the question.

Again, your use of words like "fact" is laughably ignorant. But I agree; there is nothing I can say that will ever hope to change your purely dogmatic beliefs. You don't even seem capable of comprehending the very simple notion that causes cannot just be proclaimed; they must be demonstrable. Not just that "something happened" but that there is a demonstrable "how" or means between a cause and its effect.

Notice that you just keep reasserting that "something happened" and proclaiming the cause, without ever making a single argument whatsoever. You just seem to believe that anything that could be possible somehow must be possible.

Anyway, it's what we all expect from you. I just keep hoping, in vain, that one day you'll manage to learn how to reason.

[Magical Realist]

No, saying "that's what paranormal investigations show" quite literally means it does not follow from simply the energy utilized by a brain.

Yes it does. And we're not talking a brain here. We're talking a soul here, which has many sources of energy at its disposal including the quantum vacuum. It's a simple fact that a soul or ghost drains energy from camera batteries and people and the air to perform various physical acts. We see it in paranormal investigations. And there's nothing you can say that will change that. And no, I don't have to show how a soul does this. It's sufficient only to show that it does do this. We don't have to explain a phenomenon to acknowledge its existence.

No, it doesn't.  

Your OP started from the premise that the human brain consumes very little energy, lending plausibility to the possibility of being controlled by a soul, specifically due to the minute energy involved. No greater energy utilization, mush less direct manipulation without a body, follows from that. You seem to be completely ignorant to what it means for something to "follow" as a logical consequence, without begging the question.

Again, your use of words like "fact" is laughably ignorant. But I agree; there is nothing I can say that will ever hope to change your purely dogmatic beliefs. You don't even seem capable of comprehending the very simple notion that causes cannot just be proclaimed; they must be demonstrable. Not just that "something happened" but that there is a demonstrable "how" or means between a cause and its effect.

Notice that you just keep reasserting that "something happened" and proclaiming the cause, without ever making a single argument whatsoever. You just seem to believe that anything that could be possible somehow must be possible.

Anyway, it's what we all expect from you. I just keep hoping, in vain, that one day you'll manage to learn how to reason.  

Yes it does. And we're not talking a brain here. We're talking a soul here, which has many sources of energy at its disposal including the quantum vacuum. It's a simple fact that a soul or ghost drains energy from camera batteries and people and the air to perform various physical acts. We see it in paranormal investigations. And there's nothing you can say that will change that. And no, I don't have to show how a soul does this. It's sufficient only to show that it does do this. We don't have to explain a phenomenon to acknowledge its existence.

[Syne]

Notice how many times MR has just repeated his late post, verbatim. Repeating nonsense and nonexistent arguments do not improve them. Come up with something new, at least.

[Magical Realist]

Notice how many times MR has just repeated his late post, verbatim. Repeating nonsense and nonexistent arguments do not improve them. Come up with something new, at least.

All your whining and bitching won't change the facts we know from paranormal investigations. So I'll repeat it as many time as is necessary. No sweat off my brow.

[Syne]

Notice how many times MR has just repeated his late post, verbatim. Repeating nonsense and nonexistent arguments do not improve them. Come up with something new, at least.

All your whining and bitching won't change the facts we know from paranormal investigations. So I'll repeat it as many time as is necessary. No sweat off my brow.

Ah, the expected ad hominems, in lieu of any worthwhile arguments. But go ahead, define "fact" for us, and make sure you supply a reference. Are they just the simple facts that something happened, or facts that ghosts did it? O_o

Or have you just resigned yourself to the role of troll?