Suspending people who don't play nice with others

#21
One possibility would be to set an informal limit on the number responses a member should make when (clearly) no progress can be made. This is politer than ignore and information can be exchanged. Attempts to have the last word become effectively null posts. Where we have articulate posters a limit of 2 posts allows for exposition and subsequent clarification - after that the dog may no longer fight and is removed from the ring.
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#22
(Nov 1, 2018 10:41 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Nov 1, 2018 02:25 AM)Syne Wrote: Where, pray tell, have I asked loaded questions?

They’re all trick questions. They reduce your opponent’s choice of answers leading him or her to jeopardize their position. That’s entrapment, Syne, and none of us are under any obligation to answer all of your questions.
Cute little declaration without any examples whatsoever.  Rolleyes
If you really think you can be tricked by a question, that's on you and your own intellectual insecurity. I can't be. What I can do is misunderstand a question, and then later clarify my answer appropriately, or find the question to be straw man, false dilemma, etc. and point that out. Ignoring a question entirely just looks like avoidance, and there's little reason to do that than an attempt to save face or quell dissonance in light of inconvenient questions.

You're right, you have zero obligation to respond to me at all, much less answer all my questions. But I also have zero obligation to pretend I didn't ask the question nor to avoid pressing for an answer and/or making assumptions. You can only really whine about assumptions you are willing to correct.
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Syne Wrote:You know, before having a simple question avoided so many times that my only recourse is to make assumptions from a lack of response.
If you won't answer simple questions, people can only make assumptions. If you don't like the assumptions, answer questions or correct them.

Well, you heard him. Answer his questions or else.
There's no "or else" there. It's a natural consequence of people trying to decipher each others positions without enough info.


(Nov 1, 2018 03:12 PM)Leigha Wrote: That's right, SS. Not immediately answering questions isn't an indication of anything, really. Sometimes, it could mean that I'm ignoring the question, but it often means, I just forgot to answer it, and might come back to it, later.

Your questions don't intimidate us, Syne. But, if you start name calling in hopes that will bring about a healthy exchange of conversation and ideas, then that's where your fault lies. You should take a page out of Yazata's book of internet etiquette. He always keeps it classy, even if he vehemently disagrees with someone.

"Not immediately"? More like never.  Dodgy
You don't come back to it, even when repeatedly reminded.

Again, where's this supposed name calling? O_o
It's interesting to watch people mistake things as personal, thereby exposing their insecurity, and then arduously avoiding explicitly making the case for their accusations...maybe realizing they were the ones who opted to identify that way.  Rolleyes
Notice the complete lack of argument against that supposed name calling being your own assumptions: https://www.scivillage.com/thread-6193-p...l#pid24511

Yaz is agnostic (belief that nothing can be known for certain); he doesn't seem to vehemently disagree with anyone. If he did, we'd have to wonder on what grounds.



Interesting to watch the little self-narratives play out in other people's heads.
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#23
Sometimes, your comments seem rhetorical, like you're asking a question, but you don't really wish to have an answer, because you believe that you know the answer before the person responds. I don't see them as loaded questions as SS points out, but I can see why she does see them that way, rather I see them as sometimes serving no other purpose than for you to further pretend like you know what the other person is thinking, and therefore, you're asking baiting types of questions, that likely will lead nowhere.

I'll get back to some of your questions, when I have time. Be ready. Wink
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(Nov 1, 2018 06:32 PM)Leigha Wrote: Sometimes, your comments seem rhetorical, like you're asking a question, but you don't really wish to have an answer, because you believe that you know the answer before the person responds. I don't see them as loaded questions as SS points out, but I can see why she does see them that way, rather I see them as sometimes serving no other purpose than for you to further pretend like you know what the other person is thinking, and therefore, you're asking baiting types of questions, that likely will lead nowhere.

I'll get back to some of your questions, when I have time. Be ready. Wink

Your perception of rhetorical questions is your own assumption, but unlike my assumptions, it's one you do not bother to verify. I ask questions in the hopes of clarifying/correcting my assumptions.
Again, I can only know what someone thinks if they bother to tell me. If I try to find out and they refuse, I can only assume.

I would much rather just ask questions and have the answers naturally expose potential errors or contradictions in someone's thought process. But people seem to get defensive when they sense their opinions may be in doubt. When they do that, I can only make assumptions and try, often in vain, to draw out the details of their thinking...if there even are any.

And when people resort to making whole threads complaining about it, I know it's exposed an insecurity. People do not rally others or call for authority action unless they perceive a threat.
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#25
Like when I didn't answer your questions right away, and you interpreted that as sociopathic? lol

You have no idea what a sociopath is, if you think it's defined as someone who ignores someone else, or doesn't answer someone's questions immediately.

You take yourself way too seriously. lol I don't need to prove anything to you, if you want to have a discussion, we can. You don't make the rules. There are no rules, really. Just have a discussion like a normal person, Syne. Can you do that?
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#26
Casual: said or done without much thought or premeditation

Anything to do with well thought out responses to any well thought out question goes against the very meaning of the word casual. IMHO
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(Nov 1, 2018 08:36 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Casual: said or done without much thought or premeditation

Anything to do with well thought out responses to any well thought out question goes against the very meaning of the word casual. IMHO

Yep. 

There's no rules. You say what you want, and that's it. Maybe you learn something in the process. I don't know why some people feel the need to force their views onto others, as if their view is the only viewpoint. I can have discussions with friends for examples, we both leave the discussion still believing as we do, and respecting the other person's right to believe as they do. No expectations. <<<shrug>>>
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(Nov 1, 2018 08:54 PM)Leigha Wrote: I don't know why some people feel the need to force their views onto others, as if their view is the only viewpoint.

Well, power and righteousness sort of fucks with your head.

Think about the pro-lifers, who have killed for their cause, or take Brian Flanagan for example. At the time, people were outraged at the violence of the Vietnam War, but they organized a group that thought they were justified in their use of violence to further their cause. Go figure.

"When you think you have right on your side, you can do some horrific things. One of the great mistakes of 1969 is that we thought we [alone] had it right."—Brian Flanagan


I’m not saying Syne is violent by any means but he does seem to think that he always has [right] on his side. Why should he care about being offensive, if what he's touting is true and accurate?  Wink
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(Nov 1, 2018 07:40 PM)Leigha Wrote: Like when I didn't answer your questions right away, and you interpreted that as sociopathic? lol

You have no idea what a sociopath is, if you think it's defined as someone who ignores someone else, or doesn't answer someone's questions immediately.
Again, that's not what I said:
(Oct 30, 2018 11:05 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Oct 30, 2018 05:39 PM)Syne Wrote: I asked you how you would react to being so unfairly accused of a crime? That you keep dodging the simple questions says a lot about your intellectual honesty, if not your propensity to sociopathy. Either you would react emotionally, self-righteously knowing you're innocent, or you lack the capacity to express/feel that depth of emotion.

You freely chose the "sociopathy" option when you could have chosen the "intellectually dishonest" option. And you could have made arguments against either or both, which you also freely chose not to.

And I even defined it for you. Rolleyes

Quote:You take yourself way too seriously. lol I don't need to prove anything to you, if you want to have a discussion, we can. You don't make the rules. There are no rules, really. Just have a discussion like a normal person, Syne. Can you do that?

So...just a running excuse to troll people when the answers may be inconvenient. Say worlds more about you.
But you're right; there are no rules. That includes me using whatever means at my disposal to nail down your opinions. Unless your advocating a hypocritical double-standard, adults usually understand that that works both ways, Leigha. Can you deal with that...without all the incessant whining? O_o

(Nov 1, 2018 08:54 PM)Leigha Wrote:
(Nov 1, 2018 08:36 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Casual: said or done without much thought or premeditation

Anything to do with well thought out responses to any well thought out question goes against the very meaning of the word casual. IMHO

Yep. 

There's no rules. You say what you want, and that's it. Maybe you learn something in the process. I don't know why some people feel the need to force their views onto others, as if their view is the only viewpoint. I can have discussions with friends for examples, we both leave the discussion still believing as we do, and respecting the other person's right to believe as they do. No expectations. <<<shrug>>>
Then why all the whining and asking for people to be suspended? You can "say what you want", but people who disagree with you can't? O_o
LOL! What views have been forced on you? O_o
Asking questions does not force a view on you, silly girl.
And who said we were friends? Why on earth would you expect internet strangers to treat you like one? O_o



(Nov 1, 2018 10:37 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Nov 1, 2018 08:54 PM)Leigha Wrote: I don't know why some people feel the need to force their views onto others, as if their view is the only viewpoint.

Well, power and righteousness sort of fucks with your head.

Think about the pro-lifers, who have killed for their cause, or take Brian Flanagan for example. At the time, people were outraged at the violence of the Vietnam War, but they organized a group that thought they were justified in their use of violence to further their cause. Go figure.

"When you think you have right on your side, you can do some horrific things. One of the great mistakes of 1969 is that we thought we [alone] had it right."—Brian Flanagan


I’m not saying Syne is violent by any means but he does seem to think that he always has [right] on his side. Why should he care about being offensive, if what he's touting is true and accurate?  Wink

Think about the pro-choicers, who advocate killing over 600,000 a year for their cause. This isn't an isolated case; this is a mainstream political party's official platform. It's what happens when no one bothers to seriously question things, like in pre-WWII Germany.

I'm still waiting for you to manage to refute me with anything but emotional and fallacious arguments. Rolleyes
Doesn't, itself, make me right, but there's certainly a dearth of compelling argument the other way. If you weren't so prone to avoidance and could justify your own arguments, you'd have a fighting chance at convincing me otherwise.
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