Why did the pope phone the philosopher?

#11
Quote:The naive child believer's side of a nonrepresentational denomination.

We joined the SDA church when I was 14. Before that we were Baptist.

Quote:Guilt and shame are the result of doing what you know is wrong.

Guilt and shame in religion are the result of being told you are worthless and inherently sinful and deserving from birth of only damnation. It's the crumbling foundation of self-hate that all religion is based on, spurring an addiction to ideas of atonement and salvation by God's grace alone just so you can feel ok and squeak by into heaven.
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#12
(Oct 6, 2018 01:34 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:The naive child believer's side of a nonrepresentational denomination.

We joined the SDA church when I was 14. Before that we were Baptist.
What, do you want a cookie? That doesn't speak to your obviously naive take on religion.
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Quote:Guilt and shame are the result of doing what you know is wrong.

Guilt and shame in religion are the result of being told you are worthless and inherently sinful and deserving from birth of only  damnation. It's the crumbling foundation of self-hate that all religion is based on, spurring an addiction to ideas of atonement and salvation by God's grace alone just so you can feel ok and squeak by into heaven.
Nonsense, the Bible extols the value of every human and god's mercy...including the age of accountability. It's not self-hate; it's self-control, discipline, etc..

Much of this is just projection of a man who has likely struggled with depression and self-loathing for his personal proclivities and sought a scapegoat in lieu of personal responsibility. Rolleyes
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#13
Quote:Much of this is just projection of a man who has likely struggled with depression and self-loathing for his personal proclivities and sought a scapegoat in lieu of personal responsibility.

Actually that's your personal projection on me, exposing you as the self-hating moralizing prig you really are.
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#14
Quote:Are they really, or have they just not been tested? There's a difference between "fine" and resilient under stress. 

My morals have been battle tested several times. Nothing stressful about two battles with cancer Wink . Call it resilient if you want. Don't worry, my religious friends prayed like hell for me....so it must have worked, eh?
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#15
(Oct 6, 2018 02:29 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Much of this is just projection of a man who has likely struggled with depression and self-loathing for his personal proclivities and sought a scapegoat in lieu of personal responsibility.

Actually that's your personal projection on me, exposing you as the self-hating moralizing prig you really are.

Nope, I've never had any problem with depression, self-loathing, or a lack of responsibility.
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#16
Quote:Nope, I've never had any problem with depression, self-loathing, or a lack of responsibility.

Right...that's why you project it. So you can remain unconscious of it in yourself.
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#17
(Oct 6, 2018 03:13 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Nope, I've never had any problem with depression, self-loathing, or a lack of responsibility.

Right...that's why you project it. So you can remain unconscious of it in yourself.

Nope, but maybe you should heed your own counsel.
Magical Realist Wrote: The one thing that disappears when I start getting depressed is my usual interest in my life. A loss of that carefree anticipation and curiosity for whatever is coming up next. It's as if nothing happening in my day involves me anymore. "What's the pointness" takes over in even the smallest most routine of things: doing the dishes, grocery shopping, showering, etc. That's a hard message to bear, that you are a bored spectator to your own irrelevant life. A sense of being disconnected or alienated from one's own situation, the implication being that I'm isolating too much.
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(Oct 6, 2018 03:35 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Oct 6, 2018 03:13 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Nope, I've never had any problem with depression, self-loathing, or a lack of responsibility.

Right...that's why you project it. So you can remain unconscious of it in yourself.

Nope, but maybe you should heed your own counsel.
Magical Realist Wrote: The one thing that disappears when I start getting depressed is my usual interest in my life. A loss of that carefree anticipation and curiosity for whatever is coming up next. It's as if nothing happening in my day involves me anymore. "What's the pointness" takes over in even the smallest most routine of things: doing the dishes, grocery shopping, showering, etc. That's a hard message to bear, that you are a bored spectator to your own irrelevant life. A sense of being disconnected or alienated from one's own situation, the implication being that I'm isolating too much.

Wow..so admitting I get depressed is admission of self hate? Since when? Admitting ones afflictions is a sign of strength not weakness.
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#19
(Oct 6, 2018 03:37 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Oct 6, 2018 03:35 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Oct 6, 2018 03:13 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Right...that's why you project it. So you can remain unconscious of it in yourself.

Nope, but maybe you should heed your own counsel.
Magical Realist Wrote: The one thing that disappears when I start getting depressed is my usual interest in my life. A loss of that carefree anticipation and curiosity for whatever is coming up next. It's as if nothing happening in my day involves me anymore. "What's the pointness" takes over in even the smallest most routine of things: doing the dishes, grocery shopping, showering, etc. That's a hard message to bear, that you are a bored spectator to your own irrelevant life. A sense of being disconnected or alienated from one's own situation, the implication being that I'm isolating too much.

Wow..so admitting I get depressed is admission of self hate? Since when? Admitted ones faults is sign of strength not weakness.

If you have been experiencing some of the following signs and symptoms most of the day, nearly every day, for at least two weeks, you may be suffering from depression:

Persistent sad, anxious, or “empty” mood
Feelings of hopelessness, or pessimism
Irritability
Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, or helplessness
Loss of interest or pleasure in hobbies and activities
Decreased energy or fatigue
Moving or talking more slowly
Feeling restless or having trouble sitting still
Difficulty concentrating, remembering, or making decisions
Difficulty sleeping, early-morning awakening, or oversleeping
Appetite and/or weight changes
Thoughts of death or suicide, or suicide attempts
Aches or pains, headaches, cramps, or digestive problems without a clear physical cause and/or that do not ease even with treatment
- https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/d...ndex.shtml?


I don't know. Are depressed people proud of feeling worthless? O_o


worth·less
(of a person) having no good qualities; deserving contempt.
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#20
Quote:If you have been experiencing some of the following signs and symptoms most of the day, nearly every day, for at least two weeks, you may be suffering from depression:

No shame in being depressed. Nothing immoral about it at all in fact. It's just a passing mood. In fact I rarely get depressed at all anymore. Does that disappoint you you pathetic moralizing prig?
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