AU demands shut down of Trump’s EAC + Painter fired for not attending Bible studies

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AU demands shut down of Trump’s Evangelical Advisory Council
https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religi...ry-council

EXCERPT: A letter written by Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a group known for its advocacy for pushing the distinction between the state and various religious bodies, asked the White House to break the Evangelical Advisory Council. The council, set up by U.S. President Donald J. Trump, consists of Christian leaders advising the president. The letter was addressed to Don McGahn, the counsel for the White House. It states that members of a specific religion are provided unfettered access to the American president, and the council's activities can only be described as sensitive. [...] Rachel Laser, the CEO and President of Americans United, said they are tired of watching the president provide unprecedented influence and access to one specific religious group. She said they are tired of such secret activities and thus want the president to shut the advisory down. [...] A spokesperson for the committee told a media house that the council presently exists solely on paper. If the spokesperson is to be believed, the council exists only in name. Johnnie Moore, the spokesperson, asserted that no such board exists.

MORE: https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religi...ry-council

RELATED: Trump's Evangelical Advisory Board Is Violating Federal Laws, Says Americans United ... Advocacy Group Demands Trump Shut Down Evangelical Advisory Board



He said he wouldn’t join his company’s Bible study. After being let go, he’s suing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...hes-suing/

EXCERPT: A 34-year-old painter is suing Dahled Up Construction, a company based south of Portland, Ore., for allegedly firing him after he refused to join a Christian Bible group for employees. Ryan Coleman is seeking $800,000 from the company after its owner allegedly said participation in the Bible group was required if he wanted to keep his job. Coleman told The Washington Post that when he explained to the company's owner, Joel Dahl, that he had different beliefs, Dahl said: "If you want to keep your job, everybody needs to attend. If not, I'm going to be forced to replace you." Coleman said he initially took part in the weekly, hour-long Bible classes for six months, fearing he wouldn't be able to find another job.

[...] Coleman said he didn't learn about the Bible sessions until after he started working for Dahl. Coleman told The Post that he first asked Dahl if he could schedule appointments or other meetings during the Bible study hour so he wouldn't have to miss work. Dahl's response, Coleman said, was that there was no other option and that Coleman had to be there. Coleman is not a practicing Christian and told Dahl multiple times that he wasn't comfortable attending the Bible study. In April, Coleman allegedly told Dahl in a phone call that he had a right not to attend the Christian Bible study, at which point he was fired, according to court documents....

MORE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...hes-suing/
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Any religion a president aligns himself with naturally has "unfettered access", just as his family or any other personal aspect of his life. You cannot rationally expect a person to divorce themselves from their chosen religion just because they are elected to public office. FACA (the legal grounds they are protesting on) violates both the separation of powers and the freedom of association.



You didn't quote the part about him being a felon, nor the employer specifically wanting to help felons (because he was one as well), nor being paid to attend the Bible studies. At-will employment means that either party can end the employment at any time and for any reason.

Coleman said he complied for nearly six months, fearing his past convictions would make finding other work difficult.

“I’m Native American and Christianity’s just not my thing,”
- http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/30/emp...wsuit.html


"...just not my thing" is not a religion and not subject to discrimination laws. He was given a special opportunity as a felon, and many others would be happy to take his place.
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(Sep 1, 2018 06:32 PM)C C Wrote: AU demands shut down of Trump’s Evangelical Advisory Council
https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religi...ry-council

EXCERPT: A letter written by Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a group known for its advocacy for pushing the distinction between the state and various religious bodies, asked the White House to break the Evangelical Advisory Council . The council, set up by U.S. President Donald J. Trump, consists of Christian leaders advising the president. The letter was addressed to Don McGahn, the counsel for the White House. It states that members of a specific religion are provided unfettered access to the American president, and the council's activities can only be described as sensitive. [...] Rachel Laser, the CEO and President of Americans United, said they are tired of watching the president provide unprecedented influence and access to one specific religious group. She said they are tired of such secret activities and thus want the president to shut the advisory down. [...] A spokesperson for the committee told a media house that the council presently exists solely on paper. If the spokesperson is to be believed, the council exists only in name. Johnnie Moore, the spokesperson, asserted that no such board exists.

MORE: https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religi...ry-council

RELATED: Trump’s Evangelical Advisory Board Is Violating Federal Law, Says Americans United ...  Advocacy group demands Trump shut down evangelical advisory board



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"Under Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act it is unlawful for a covered employer (i.e., one who employs 15 or more employees) to discriminate against an employee on the basis of religion. Unless the employer is a religious institution, the employer's action in forcing you to engage in religious activities would be unlawful. You can refuse to do so. If the employer fires you you can file discrimination charges with the EEOC."---- https://www.lawyers.com/ask-a-lawyer/lab...42655.html
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Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act only covers federally funded programs. He means Title VII.
If he knew the Bible studies were a requirement of gaining employment as a felon, then he made that concession to gain employment.
And unless he has proof of the reason for being fired, he's got no case.
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Quote:If he knew the Bible studies were a requirement of gaining employment as a felon, then he made that concession to gain employment.

Doesn't matter. He could've been hired before the employer started the Bible studies. The employer is still discriminating against his employees' civil rights. The lawsuit is totally justified.
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Again, it could have been a concession for hiring a felon. Either attend paid Bible studies or won't be hired as a felon, which is not a protected class. If you'd just prefer that felons can't find decent jobs and become recidivists, that's on you.
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(Sep 2, 2018 03:48 AM)Syne Wrote: Again, it could have been a concession for hiring a felon. Either attend paid Bible studies or won't be hired as a felon, which is not a protected class. If you'd just prefer that felons can't find decent jobs and become recidivists, that's on you.

A felon still falls under civil rights. And you can't force him to study the Bible as a condition of staying hired. It's a violation of the law. Sue that fucker for all he's worth.
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Then felons won't be able to fine jobs that this guy described as, "“I loved my job. I woke up every day excited to go to work. Not everybody can say that”.
If animus for religion means more recidivism, that's on people like you.
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(Sep 2, 2018 04:27 AM)Syne Wrote: Then felons won't be able to fine jobs that this guy described as, "“I loved my job. I woke up every day excited to go to work. Not everybody can say that”.
If animus for religion means more recidivism, that's on people like you.

A civil right is a civil right. It's the law regardless of your theoretical results.
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