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Reality is a Wavefunction

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- In Quantum Mechanics, all particles in the universe are described by a wavefunction.

- The particle properties such as position and momentum have no existence until they are observed.

- The higher amplitude of the wavefunction is the most probable location of the particle.

- The more knowledge we gain about a particle's position is determined by the sum of the waveforms of the wavefuntion.

- Less momentum of the particle is indicated by a longer wavelength of the waveforms.

- The combination of different waveforms give a new wavefunction who's sum equals the different waveforms.

- The wavefunction is described by a real component and an imaginary component.

- The specific energy levels of the wavefunction that are possible are referred to as the electron orbitals of the atom.

Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.
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Quote:Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.

Brilliant non sequitur. You know Ostro, I think you're playing with us. No one can be this goofy, can they?
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(Jun 2, 2018 04:02 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
Quote:Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.

Brilliant non sequitur. You know Ostro, I think you're playing with us. No one can be this goofy, can they?

Spirit is 90 degrees to matter. The properties of the wavefunction prove the latent ability to create reality through observation. The universal mind which collapses the universal wavefunction is God.
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(Jun 2, 2018 04:02 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
Quote:Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.

Brilliant non sequitur. You know Ostro, I think you're playing with us. No one can be this goofy, can they?

I don't think that Ostro is playing with us. I don't think that he can help it.

(Jun 2, 2018 02:11 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: Reality is a Wavefunction

So we are back to the "Reality is..." threads?

The wavefunction might just be a way to predict the outcome of experiments. A calculating device that physicists use.

Certainly reality has to be such that experiments come out as they do. But there are many different 'interpretations' of quantum mechanics that strive to provide that kind of account.

So in real life, nobody knows what sort of fundamental ontology prevails in the quantum realm.

Quote:In Quantum Mechanics, all particles in the universe are described by a wavefunction.

We describe things with words too, but it would be foolish to try to argue that reality consists of words. Some philosophers have veered dangerously close to doing that. Langan seems to walk off that cliff himself with his 'self-processing self-configuring language' stuff.

Quote:The particle properties such as position and momentum have no existence until they are observed.

Maybe. 'Observed' needs some explanation. I think that many/most physicists would interpret it to mean 'interact with a classical measuring apparatus' or something like that. Not as 'appear to a consciousness'. That latter version is a peculiar quantum idealist interpretation all its own, that seemingly isn't logically implied by quantum physics at all. (But rather, it's arrived at interpreting the experimental results in terms of 19th century German idealist metaphysics.)

Quote:The wavefunction is described by a real component and an imaginary component.

"Imaginary" in the sense of 'imaginary numbers', not psychological imagination.

Quote:Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.

I agree with Zinman that this last sentence appears to be a non-sequitur.
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Yazata Wrote:
(Jun 2, 2018 04:02 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
Quote:Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.

Brilliant non sequitur. You know Ostro, I think you're playing with us. No one can be this goofy, can they?

I don't think that Ostro is playing with us. I don't think that he can help it.

(Jun 2, 2018 02:11 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: Reality is a Wavefunction

So we are back to the "Reality is..." threads?

The wavefunction might just be a way to predict the outcome of experiments. A calculating device that physicists use.

Even if it were a mathematical or abstract entity it would still have existence since mathematics exists. The wavefunction has properties and those properties have definite values. Hence it is real.

Quote:Certainly reality has to be such that experiments come out as they do. But there are many different 'interpretations' of quantum mechanics that strive to provide that kind of account.

So in real life, nobody knows what sort of fundamental ontology prevails in the quantum realm.

The underlying fact that is commonly agreed upon is that particles have an associated wavefunction that describe their existence.

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Quote:In Quantum Mechanics, all particles in the universe are described by a wavefunction.

We describe things with words too, but it would be foolish to try to argue that reality consists of words. Some philosophers have veered dangerously close to doing that. Langan seems to walk off that cliff himself with his 'self-processing self-configuring language' stuff.

You misunderstand what Langan is saying. Since words can be uttered they carry content and as concepts, words are not distinguished from reality hence SCSPL.

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Quote:The particle properties such as position and momentum have no existence until they are observed.

Maybe. 'Observed' needs some explanation. I think that many/most physicists would interpret it to mean 'interact with a classical measuring apparatus' or something like that. Not as 'appear to a consciousness'. That latter version is a peculiar quantum idealist interpretation all its own, that seemingly isn't logically implied by quantum physics at all. (But rather, it's arrived at interpreting the experimental results in terms of 19th century German idealist metaphysics.)

Okay. I'll bite.

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Quote:The wavefunction is described by a real component and an imaginary component.

"Imaginary" in the sense of 'imaginary numbers', not psychological imagination.

Yes. The wave itself is real just like any other wave. Even if it has no physical substance.

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Quote:Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.

I agree with Zinman that this last sentence appears to be a non-sequitur.

God is required to collapse the universal wavefunction because individual minds do not have the power or scope to do so apart from locally.
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Observation is popularly contended to collapse the wavefunction. If the mere act of observation has such effects, then a God would indeed be implied to be the primary observer. I was reading the book The Quantum Labyrinth written by a Princeton professor and it stated that the wavefunction continuously evolves until an observation randomly collapses it in a linear fashion.

I think it is a misconception to think that our consciousness plays a passive role in existence despite your proposition about the wavefunction.

Jul 16, 2016 - Only the act of looking at a quantum object “collapses” its wave function, jolting it from a shadowy netherworld into definite reality.

https://landing.newscientist.com/departm...feature-3/
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Language entails structure for things to conform to otherwise they would be unintelligible. Language has elements and operations that define them. Our cognitive structures are prerequisites for language. Reality thus HAS to conform to a language by that definition. This language is the SCSPL.
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Reality is an algebraic structure that is isomorphic to a description, where God is the describer. In Quantum Mechanics, the system in which the description is contained is known as the wavefunction, specifically the universal wavefunction. It carries the description of the universe. The describer is identified with the description and hence they are inseparable. This is why God cannot be distinguished from the background reality, because they are isomorphic and this makes Him infinite since reality is conceivably infinite: aleph_0 + aleph_0 = aleph_0. (Infinity is impossible to count for mere mortals). This makes both God and reality, hard to see. Reality is also comparable to the Quantum world at the fundamental level. This is where God resides. This explains why it is so hard to see God resulting in a lack of objective evidence. If the evolving universe is the mind of God, then it may be said that free will allows for a divergence from the universe's ultimate benevolent self-designing tendency.

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/...889/page-4
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