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What are We Supposed to Do?

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Zinjanthropos Offline
Something I never dreamed, planned or prepared for just happened. Someone I've known for over 40 years suddenly admitting to paedophilia. To make matters worse, this is one of my wife's many brothers. Always suspected he was a little odd and to be perfectly honest, it didn't surprise me. There were always occasional signs that something wasn't right sexually with the guy but I never questioned or pursued it with him. Confident he doesn't read this forum so here's the skinny.....

We got the message via an email that was sent by him to several family members including his own children. Don't know the entire circumstance but it appears that he's been cornered for a decades old dalliance and had to confirm this one encounter. In a matter of 48 hours his personal life & marriage now appears to be on the rocks. My wife & I are trying to figure out what to do next. I mean the email is a piece of self incriminating evidence that I believe could be used against him if charges are laid. Obviously the victim has the goods on this guy. So far we have not heard of any charges and he hasn't been arrested.

Leaves the both of us wondering if we should be the ones to notify the authorities. In my mind there's probably more victims than the one person involved in his admission of guilt email. I believe that the victim in this case is deliberately withholding legal action, for reasons I don't know. So right now we think that by us not reporting, we are respecting the victim's rights. Maybe this person will remain silent but I keep saying that there is probably a lot more evidence to be brought forward, especially on a home computer. Not really sure if it's my place to talk with law enforcement. Don't like being put in this situation. 

Speaking of young victims of sexual abuse, it appears to me that my wife is also a victim in a strange roundabout way. Tried to find some literature on it and even phoned a support line. However there appears to be little assistance for direct relatives of a paedophile in the way of counselling etc. I respect the actual victim is of prime importance yet I still think there must be something for my wife to help her deal with it. I've contacted my own health planner to see if she's covered for counselling and still waiting for their answer.

Right now I feel bad asking what we can do because it sounds very much on the selfish side. We aren't discounting the victim and realize their pain is much more severe. Not about my wife directly but indirectly she's affected. Yesterday I had to ask all my kids whether or not their uncle had inappropriately touched them when they were young. All of of them said no or they couldn't remember. There were times in the past when we left our young children in his family's care but the most was for 2 days. 

It's f**king scary. My wife and her other siblings want nothing to do with the brother right now and I can understand it. This guy has suddenly become the loneliest man on Earth and what he will do next is anybody's guess, and that includes suicidal thoughts. He has kids too, what about them? We've talked to a couple of them and it appears all ok on that front, abuse wise. My gut feeling is that charges are on the way and he's going to eventually end up in prison. Both of us believe he deserves it and that there's more disturbing information on the way. 

I can handle it mentally but hopefully I can get some counselling for my wife. Even one session should allow her to compose herself. The chips are going to fall one way or another and there's little her brother can do about it. Now someone told me that the Me Too movement isn't necessarily about laying charges but I can't believe that. What exactly is the Me Too philosophy if anyone knows? We will be forced to take a stand very soon. Right now it looks like we'll have nothing more to do with him, my wife seems adamant about that. Looking for sage advice. Thanks for your time.
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elte Offline
Sorry about that news.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
(Apr 9, 2018 05:47 PM)elte Wrote: Sorry about that news.

Can't begin to tell you what this is doing to my wife's family. Her parents are deceased but it still nags at her to think that her brother may have been molested by one of them. She thinks that a paedophile only becomes one after they themselves have been abused. Don't know how true that is. I keep saying that no matter what, when a person commits a criminal act, they're perfectly aware it is unlawful. We were asked in the email to not say anything to anybody but we decided to ask our kids if he had done anything to them. I think that was fair enough. I have no doubt his admission is being passed around to others besides we email recipients. We were hoping 2018 would be a good year, especially after all my cancer scares, but now we have to deal with this. As I said I feel guilty thinking of us before the victim but I suppose it's just human nature.
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elte Offline
Something possibly reassuring is that a pedophile was onto me when I was about 14.  Those were different times, and so it didn't bother me, maybe because I'm schizoid or something, or something similar to autism in some ways. My family didn't realize anything either.  I eventually saw why the fella gave me some help with my CB radio hobby.
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elte Offline
Something else is that the thing that happened to me was just for about a summer and the actual physical part was just a with a hand in a single few minute event.
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stryder Offline
I couldn't say what to do with a self-confessed one, as usually the only general understanding of what to do with them is based upon them being caught or called out.

What would likely need to be done is working out a way to cope with the reality of who/what they have been and what can be done now. For instance your wife could "commit" him for his or other peoples own safety, this would mean that she would know that his problems can then attempt to be addressed while making sure that he can't victimise anyone. Since it is classed as a mental illness to some extent, it does mean they can get help to stop being that way inclined.

What should be considered though is that they need help otherwise they might assume that it's okay to be that way. It's not the same as someone coming out about their sexuality, it's a crime and it can effect people psychological years after being effected in that way.

If the authorities were told they would likely want to seize computers, recordings and any paraphernalia they might have as it's not just evidence of their wrong doing it can likely be evidence of other peoples involvement too.
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stryder Offline
(Apr 9, 2018 06:16 PM)elte Wrote: Something possibly reassuring is that a pedophile was onto me when I was about 14.  Those were different times,  and so it didn't bother me, maybe because I'm schizoid or something, or something similar to autism in some ways. My family didn't realize anything either.  I eventually saw why the fella gave me some help with my CB radio hobby.

Why you weren't bothered, isn't that you weren't actually bothered but you were actually coping with it in the only way you knew how to. Unfortunately "Denial" is common place with victims and it's what the perpetrators count on to get away with what they do. No ones childhood should be tainted in such a way, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you Elte.
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elte Offline
I wasn't bothered because it wasn't offensive to me at the time.  It didn't hurt or anything. I think he gave up because it had no effect on me. It probably wasn't fun for him because of that. Even now it doesn't bother me because he had a lot less ill will toward me than many other people at the time. Thank you Stryder.
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C C Offline
(Apr 9, 2018 05:23 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Leaves the both of us wondering if we should be the ones to notify the authorities.


When it comes to family politics -- and as long as I'm not a direct witness to crime or a lesser misconduct -- I usually give the data ample time to sort itself out (the stories, conjectures, accusations, confrontations, hypotheses, gossip, confessions, etc). If multiple people / families are in the maze of communications transactions, then there's usually going to be someone else much faster at winning "the casting of the first stone" race than I would be, anyway. (Whether that's legal action when warranted or just a vehement response to non-criminal activity).

Quote:[...] I can handle it mentally but hopefully I can get some counselling for my wife.

For what tiny mitigation of distress it might provide at best, your wife is certainly not alone -- by any stretch -- when it comes to having relatives who exhibit infamous behavior. (Though maybe it might slightly more often be a case of "Bob chopped the railroad crossing signal cables with an axe" because he missed his bipolar medication; rather than "Mr. NAMBLA did his monster thing Saturday night".)

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(Apr 9, 2018 06:05 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Can't begin to tell you what this is doing to my wife's family. Her parents are deceased but it still nags at her to think that her brother may have been molested by one of them. She thinks that a paedophile only becomes one after they themselves have been abused.


Not necessarily. During the pre-internet era, some ex-pedophiles during magazine and radio interviews would divulge that their inclinations got fermented by perusing those giant, mail-order catalogs of a bygone era (Sears & Roebuck, Montgomery Ward, etc). Specifically those clothing sections that featured children in underwear (later the catalog producers stopped that or diminished it, due to those revelations).

Today, child pornography use is rampant in the general population. I know mothers who in whispery, private conversations fret about what their either graduated or dropped-out sons are still carrying around on their mobile devices. It's a strange, age-group double standard that's being incubated these days in society. Where tweens and teens voluntarily and illegally send nude pics to each other that they store on their smart phones, flash drives, etc. (The authorities can't realistically pursue and prosecute half the student population of a town, though a handful do get turned into examples). Those lads (and lasses?) in turn share their stockpile of received images with others who were never directly intended to have them, building up ever larger collections. When "Johnny" reaches 18 he seems to absent-mindedly forget his new adult status. With his already unlawful and unethical stockpile of pics then becoming child porn with an extra exclamation point, which enter the next level of being circulated among much older males.

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confused2 Offline
Warning - I have no training in this matter - my opinions and suggestions are just those of a guy you don't know on the Internet.

I knew someone for about three years - they were very generous - that is to say they gave up their time to help a new business (mine) without asking for any reward. I don't have children and the business doesn't involve children in any way so no motive there. On one occasion he brought his daughter (then in her forties) into the shop and they seemed to have a normal father/daughter relationship - so when accusations of child abuse started to emerge I assumed it was the result of either malice or mistaken identity.

I didn't follow the court case but I understand he made no attempt to dispute the charges and was sentenced to ten years in prison. On the basis of very little evidence I think, in honest discussion, he would have said "I can't stop myself.". I offer the interpretation of a private confession as -"Please bring this to an end." - let the people he loves and cares about be the ones to end it. Just the mechanics of getting yourself into police custody for a crime that hasn't really been reported is probably quite difficult. The alternative is they come for you in the night.
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