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Study: Trump voters are fear-driven neurotics

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(Mar 23, 2018 03:25 AM)Syne Wrote: Already did: https://www.scivillage.com/thread-4370-p...l#pid14809
No one took me up on the challenge.

Zero bias between JFK and Trump.
Slight white preference.
Zero automatic association between weapons and harmless object with white and black Americans.

It's must have changed. Mine was on an entirely different subject. I showed a moderate automatic association of Women with Oppressed and Men with Privileged.
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#22
Syne Offline
(Mar 23, 2018 06:46 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Mar 23, 2018 03:25 AM)Syne Wrote: Already did: https://www.scivillage.com/thread-4370-p...l#pid14809
No one took me up on the challenge.

Zero bias between JFK and Trump.
Slight white preference.
Zero automatic association between weapons and harmless object with white and black Americans.

It's must have changed.  Mine was on an entirely different subject.  I showed a moderate automatic association of Women with Oppressed and Men with Privileged.

There's a whole slew of tests to choose from: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/selectatest.html

I posted my results from Presidents, Race, and Weapons.
I don't see one about gender and oppression.

Maybe they got rid of it due to methodological problems (or inconvenient results).

Sexism IATs are different. As Greg Mitchell and Phil Tetlock put it in a book chapter that is very critical of the IAT, “One particularly puzzling aspect of academic and public dialogue about implicit prejudice research has been the dearth of attention paid to the finding that men usually do not exhibit implicit sexism while women do show pro-female implicit attitudes.” This appears to be a pretty robust finding, and if you translate it into the same language IAT proponents speak elsewhere, it means men don’t have implicit sexism and are therefore unlikely to make decisions in an implicitly sexist manner (women, meanwhile, will likely favor women over men in implicitly-driven decision-making). Even weirder, when you switch to IATs geared at evaluating not whether the test-taker implicitly favors men over women (or vice versa), but whether they are quicker to associate men versus women more with career, family, and similarly gendered concepts, the IAT somewhat reliably evaluates women as having higher rates of implicit bias against women than men do.
- https://www.thecut.com/2017/01/there-are...t-too.html

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(Mar 21, 2018 09:50 PM)Yazata Wrote: If Scivillage isn't going to be an enjoyable place to discuss interesting things with friends, if it's going to be divided like the rest of life by implacable political hatreds, then it no longer seems to have any value for me. For me, its value was mostly that it was a refuge from all of that.

Frankly, I'm not sure I whether I'm going to continue posting here at all.

Frankly, if your fragile and cannot withstand any pressure then I'm not sure you should continue to post here.

Stop making empty threats. It's annoying. Dodgy
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(Mar 23, 2018 09:39 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Frankly, if your fragile and cannot withstand any pressure then I'm not sure you should continue to post here.

Stop making empty threats.  It's annoying. Dodgy

Frankly, I think Yaz makes the most interesting, original posts on this forum. I'd hate to see him go.
And I doubt it has anything to do with "pressure". He seems more than capable of fending off bad science and partisanship.

It may be more about people weaponizing science, and thus degrading it...on an ostensibly "science" forum.
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(Mar 24, 2018 12:00 AM)Syne Wrote: Frankly, I think Yaz makes the most interesting, original posts on this forum. I'd hate to see him go.

Great!  You can be his official bootlick then.

Syne Wrote:And I doubt it has anything to do with "pressure".

I was trying to avoid the term "snowflake."

Syne Wrote:He seems more than capable of fending off bad science and partisanship.

Yep, and that's why it seems like basic coercion to me. Threats to leave can be used for power.  If he wants to leave, let him leave.
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#26
Syne Offline
This from the girl who pleaded with me not to run off snowflakes she liked, and often finds herself in a mutual bootlick society with other trolls, like MR.
You seemed to like Yaz just fine until you learned more about his political leanings. Intolerance of ideas is not a good look on any forum, especially ostensibly science ones.
Coercion? No post, nor lack of post, coerces you to do anything, other than whatever your own uncontrolled impulses dictate (and those are your problem).
Expressing what you don't like, and your options for dealing with it, is just letting others know your personal boundaries, and gives them the opportunity to respect that or not. No one can respect what they are not aware of.
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(Mar 24, 2018 05:42 AM)Syne Wrote: This from the girl who pleaded with me not to run off snowflakes she liked, and often finds herself in a mutual bootlick society with other trolls, like MR.

That was different because you were unfairly harassing her through the old reputation system. She didn’t have any control over the content, no way to respond.  

I don't think that I've ever kissed anyone's ass.  

Syne Wrote:You seemed to like Yaz just fine until you learned more about his political leanings.

I don't care about political affiliations.  

Syne Wrote:Intolerance of ideas is not a good look on any forum, especially ostensibly science ones.

Yep.

Syne Wrote:Expressing what you don't like, and your options for dealing with it, is just letting others know your personal boundaries, and gives them the opportunity to respect that or not. No one can respect what they are not aware of.

It’s not a boundary issue.  Not liking what one is reading is not a boundary issue.  

Yazata Wrote:If Scivillage isn't going to be an enjoyable place to discuss interesting things with friends, if it's going to be divided like the rest of life by implacable political hatreds, then it no longer seems to have any value for me. For me, its value was mostly that it was a refuge from all of that.

Frankly, I'm not sure I whether I'm going to continue posting here at all.

IWO, I’m one of the most interesting and intelligent posters on this site and if you don’t do what I say then I’m leaving.

He’s throwing a little hissy fit and trying to dictate everyone’s behavior. If he’s smart, he can learn to control his own ass self.
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#28
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I've known Yazata as long as MR. If something flares up between them in terms of posturing, it's akin to family members have a brief spat, where what's said doesn't amount to a hill of beans in terms of taking it literally over the long haul.

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Not sure how you imagine anyone would have an opportunity to take someone's feelings into account without knowing them.
You can call it a "hissy fit", but that would also apply to every time you expressed discontent with the manner of anything I've posted.
And I don't remember you giving MR shit for threatening to leave the forum: https://www.scivillage.com/thread-4624-p...l#pid16465
Nor even Yaz, in that same thread. The difference between the two does seem to be political...or you just really like trolling.
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