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Mar 16, 2018 05:37 PM
http://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2018/0...undergrads
EXCERPT: It’s no secret that STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) fields have a problem retaining women and racial minorities. Now, a new study provides quantitative evidence that the same problem applies to some sexual minorities—a group that anecdotally has been known to experience challenges in STEM but has eluded thorough examination owing to a lack of data. But there’s a twist: Retention is lower for men who identify as LGBQ (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and queer), while LGBQ women are actually more likely to persist in STEM than their heterosexual peers.
“We’ve known for a long time that sexual minorities experience marginalization and devaluation in fields like engineering,” says Erin Cech, an assistant professor of sociology at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor who wasn’t involved in the new research but has interviewed lesbian, gay, and bisexual students about their experiences in engineering. That’s especially true for LGBQ men because there’s “a strong devaluation of femininity in STEM,” and gay men encounter discrimination that heterosexual men—and oftentimes lesbians—don’t have to deal with, she adds.
Now there are numbers to back up those experiences....
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Syne
Mar 16, 2018 09:51 PM
And? People with more masculine interests stay in STEM. There's a difference between masculine and feminine interests. Shocking!
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Magical Realist
Mar 16, 2018 10:20 PM
Quote:And? People with more masculine interests stay in STEM. There's a difference between masculine and feminine interests. Shocking!
How do you define masculine interests as opposed to feminine interests?
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Syne
Mar 16, 2018 10:55 PM
(Mar 16, 2018 10:20 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Quote:And? People with more masculine interests stay in STEM. There's a difference between masculine and feminine interests. Shocking!
How do you define masculine interests as opposed to feminine interests?
What men generally show interest in versus what women generally show interest in.
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Magical Realist
Mar 16, 2018 10:58 PM
(Mar 16, 2018 10:55 PM)Syne Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 10:20 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Quote:And? People with more masculine interests stay in STEM. There's a difference between masculine and feminine interests. Shocking!
How do you define masculine interests as opposed to feminine interests?
What men generally show interest in versus what women generally show interest in.
Does that include what gay men show interest in versus what gay women show interest in?
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Syne
Mar 16, 2018 11:23 PM
(Mar 16, 2018 10:58 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 10:55 PM)Syne Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 10:20 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: How do you define masculine interests as opposed to feminine interests?
What men generally show interest in versus what women generally show interest in.
Does that include what gay men show interest in versus what gay women show interest in?
Yes, it does. Since gay men and women tend to take on traits of the oppose sex, including neuroplastic effects on the brain, it stands to reason that they would also tend to mirror opposite sex interests.
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Mar 17, 2018 01:56 AM
(Mar 16, 2018 11:23 PM)Syne Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 10:58 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 10:55 PM)Syne Wrote: (Mar 16, 2018 10:20 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: How do you define masculine interests as opposed to feminine interests?
What men generally show interest in versus what women generally show interest in.
Does that include what gay men show interest in versus what gay women show interest in?
Yes, it does. Since gay men and women tend to take on traits of the oppose sex, including neuroplastic effects on the brain, it stands to reason that they would also tend to mirror opposite sex interests.
What is more masculine about STEM other than the fact that it is field dominated by men? I mean there's nothing logically connecting men to such fields anymore than to women.
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Syne
Mar 17, 2018 02:15 AM
(Mar 17, 2018 01:56 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: What is more masculine about STEM other than the fact that it is field dominated by men? I mean there's nothing logically connecting men to such fields anymore than to women.
Did you really fail to read all the posts you replied to?
Interests. Men are generally more interested in things, while women are generally more interested in people. And this holds for infants and primates.
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Magical Realist
Mar 17, 2018 02:29 AM
Quote:Men are generally more interested in things, while women are generally more interested in people. And this holds for infants and primates.
I've never heard of that. Do you have some studies supporting this theory of innate interest of men in things and innate interest of women in people?
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Syne
Mar 17, 2018 02:58 AM
(Mar 17, 2018 02:29 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Quote:Men are generally more interested in things, while women are generally more interested in people. And this holds for infants and primates.
I've never heard of that. Do you have some studies supporting this theory of innate interest of men in things and innate interest of women in people?
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-4616-p...l#pid16946
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-4616-p...l#pid16950
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-4616-p...l#pid16955
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